Expanding your mind

Are you fucking serious? Many drugs have proven long-term effects on Seratonin and Dopamine receptors, etc, etc.

 

Wow. Then it must be true.

If you're going to drop names and try to sound intellectual, at least get it right. Descartes, using both the "dream conjecture" and "evil demon" conjecture, eventually came to the conclusions of "I think, therefore I am", that there is a God, and that God would not fool him about the basic nature of reality.

Or maybe, instead of mindlessly spouting off other people's opinions, you should start thinking for yourself.

Well, I don't really give two shits about your thoughts on buddhism. Sorry.

 

To the OP (original poster):



Yeah, but only temporarily.

Eventually, using drugs over a LOOOONG period of time fucks with your brain and has the exact opposite affect. It can lead you into psychosis, and other mental issues.

Trust me, I've seen it happen to family members and friends. It aint pretty.

As long as you don't overdose, and start getting into that heavy shit, and for long periods of times, you should be able to have a LITTLE fun with drugs.

Too much of a "good" thing can turn out really BAD, and ugly.

 

ya haha.. i mean at first i read some interesting things in Mckennas works. but honestly... some of his stuff is really unprobable. "mushrooms coming from aliens, etc etc..." after a while those dopeheads just cant think straight anymore and hence cannot make valid points about life.

 

ok, sorry, i didn't really explain what i meant. you're right. over time, receptors in your brain can become damaged or altered. but we were talking about while you are under the influence. lalalamort was saying, i believe, that you hallucinate because the drug rewires your brain. that it physically changes it, and the things you think or see or feel are things that would normally be impossible. i'm saying that's not true. near-death experiences (where a person sees their whole life "flash before them" and feels they're "approaching heaven", "rebirth", etc) and the effects of mushrooms or LSD are described as being incredibly similar.

 

i wouldnt really agree... when you hallucinate on psychedelics, your mind is gone, in haze. you are not conscious, you arent aware of things around... youre in a haze, and then comes the hallucinations. Ive never had hallucinations while my mind was completely normal/aware. my mom has had near death experiences/astral projections, shes described some, and its the opposite, you are very aware... Ive had projections two, and most of the time they happen, it was at night after a day that i practiced awareness, to be conscious of my 5 senses... all that naturally. To obtain the unknown through your own possibilities, the ability we all have, without drugs, seems very much clearer then with the use of drugs. and its weird how, when in sober, my dreams are often very much more lucid. after a week of being high, or shrooming, i cant really see the lucidity in my dreams. hek, i almost cant remember my dreams. i find dope takes aways your awareness and makes you wonder in an alternate reality. which can be rather dangerous.

 

First of all, the exact mechanisms behind LSD/Hallucinogens aren't understood. Secondly, they aren't similar to a near death experience at all. They mimic some of the symptoms of schizophrenia (including delusions).

At any rate, I'm done with this thread: feel free to do all the drugs you want (I did). But I'd have a long hard pondering over whether you feel comfortable recommending them to kids (with lies such as harmless).

 

Wow, I can't believe asking a question would stirr up so much hatred. These attacks on others beliefs are just cruel and suppressing. WTF mate. I don't understand why people have to hack others belifes, all I did was ask for thoughts, not arguements on beliefs.... This is sad guys. LOVE!

 

ALLY0UN33DISL0V3, i really don't see any hatred here . it's just a discussion.

stebo32 and spooner, i guess i was wrong. i haven't ever had a near death experience, but i read in a book that said they did tests and found them to be a lot like a psychadelic experience. meditation, sleep deprivision, and fasting, i've heard, can have similar effects, but i've never experienced them either. that was the basis for my argument, and if that's not true, then i must have misunderstood. all i'm really trying to say is, our minds have incredible potential and there is no such thing as imagination in pill form.

this whole topic is about mind expansion, and my point is that drugs DO expand your mind by helping you use different parts of it, but it is entirely possible to use those parts simply by learning to manipulate them naturally. drugs are just a shortcut. and i do have experience in both natural and drug induced experiences.

i'm not trying to prove anyone wrong or prove myself right, i'm just trying to explain what i know to be true and understand what you believe. so i hope nobody feels any hostility from me, because that's not my intention .

 

yea. i agree with you though, drugs do expand your mind, because they make you see outside your normal mind's eye. Ive been there, my first shroom trip was a blessing. But i quickly realized i had to move on with what ive learnt. and there are many other ways to expand your mind in safer ways . ex: meditation, etc...

and ya there is no hatred. lets not get delusional

 

Ok, don't worry Prysma...?! (kid with the cool hair) I wasnt talking about you. Infact I find you explanation about stuff the most reasonable, and that is what I am sticking with. As for my dylusional thoughts, I just got a negative "vibe" from some of the comments I saw,but it's all good.