Explain the Trilobite

this thread is absolutely hilarious.

a book of fairytale stories VS. empirical evidence and carbon dating

the trilobite wins!!

 

The true sickness comes from those who tell people they can believe any lie religion teaches them, because all lies lead to the truth. And that is what is really sick. And that is the same message the Devil has been preaching to this world, because the Bible tells us that the Devil is the father of lies. And the one's who embrace this belief, will have more in common with the Devil, then they will ever have with a God of truth.

 

Carbon dating is good for 60,000 years i'm told. So what does carbon dating have to do with trilobites?

 

Beliveing has everything to do with it. The Bible has told you how all of this came into existance, yet you have decided to use your physical eyes, over your faith in Gods Word. God told you how long it took to do all this, but you don't believe Him. This is why God tells us mans wisdom is foolishness to Him. Anytime a Theory of man overides Gods Word, your heading in the wrong direction.

 

No, it was my post that stated that the dating of rock was not that accurate. The rock in question was lava from 11 years before. And the point that I was trying to make was that many believe the earth to be old based on todays dating of rock. And it was these same people who were trying to tell us that the 11 year old lava rock was millions of years old. If they can't even get the age of an 11 year old rock right, why would anyone trust anything these people would say? And this is what you call good science?
And then you get on these posts and talk about how science has the facts, and this shows us the time period it took for Evolution to work based on our understanding of how old the earth is. GIVE ME A BREAK.

 

The rock came form the Mt. St. Helens Volcano. The experts took the newly formed lava rock and had it carbon dated. The rock was 11 years old, but after they dated it, they told everyone that the rock was millions of years old. In my post, I was trying to make the point that carbon dating cannot be trusted for time accuracy.

 

Campbell

You have it backwards

" anytime a theory of man explains more than gods word.
Then you know your heading in the right direction"

Which pretty much covers every aspect of the nature of reallity.
IS, the world flat?

Occam

 

Campbell

You really push for creationism..

Please explain WHY there are fossils of creatures that no longer exist.
10's of meters blow ground.
What purpose do they serve?

Occam

PS.
Just because occam takes a position contrary to christian creationism
does not mean he is an athiest. Occam is impartial.
He regards ALL religions with equal contempt.

Believing in a god has no connection with believing in a religion.
Religion is a anthropomorphic medievil framework tacked onto
a sound concept.

 

That doesn't make sense, people can't read the the bible without using their physical eyes or ears(if someone was reading it to them or touch). There must be truth in the physical senses in order to perceive truth in any form. The bible also does not state directly that the Earth is like 6000 years old, that has only been inferred by people reading and interpreting it.

 

While it's widely accepted that the Bible is nothing more than a work of fiction, at least give the authors some credit, after all it is the most successful and widely distributed book in history




Hotwater

 

Hotwater

Occam thought A A Milnes
'House at pooh corner'
held that spot.

Piglet is everything jesus could aspire to.



Occam

 

Damn straight. It took me a while, but I finally found him. He was hiding under an rock. I think the rock was 11 years old. Where did you find him?

 

Piglet wins hands down for me. We've never had a war over Pooh and his chums, let alone burnings at the stake, torture of those with differing beliefs etc.
I'm sure many here could learn valuable lessons from Pooh Bear.

 

A strongly anti-religious French author, Antoine-Jean "...Letronne falsely claimed that most of the Church Fathers, including Augustine, Ambrose and Basil, held to a flat earth. In his book on the Cosmographical Ideas of the Church Fathers (1834), he misrepresented "the Church Fathers and their medieval successors as believing in a flat earth." His work has been repeatedly cited as reputable ever since."
The Idea was repeated by two leading anti-religious writers, John Willian Draper and Ahorew White, later in the 19th century. It became imbedded in school books as early as the 1860's.
The HOAX continues today, in ever diminishing strength. It is still found throughout the internet and even in some academic texts.
When other religions of the past stated that the earth was supported on the backs of two elephants, the Bible stated that the earth was like a circle that was suuspended on nothing. The Hebrew text used the word circle, because back then they did not have a word for sphere.

 

I had a Christian Father who told me about Christ, and he ask me if I would like to personally know Him. I said yes, and in a prayer I invited Him into my heart back in 1961. Since then, Christ has revealed Himself to me on many occasions. Jesus Christ will either be your Saviour, or your judge, but that choice is always yours to make. God will never force Himself on you.

 

When speaking about fossils, remember, for a fossil to even exist, it requires almost a catastrophic condition or rapid burial. Large Animals donot die, and then remain intact for hundreds of years, waiting to be covered with mud so they can become fossils. Something of a catastrophic nature would of had to occure, which would result in a quick and rapid burial. Such as a global flood. And since there are large creaturers all over the globe that are intacted, this rapid burial would of had to occured across the entire earth. The dissappearance of creatures in the fossil record should not come as a surprise. Even in the day we now live, animals are disappearing from the land scape. Yet the animals that are dissappearing today will most likely not be found in the form of fossils in the future, because the conditions that made the fossils of the past, does not exist globally today.

 

campbell34

You And occam know that the men of the church had no idea.
Most 'believers knew' that everything revolved around the earth untill
science showed it did not in no uncertain terms.
This was the beginnng of the of the end of the 'church as the state'

And none too soon.

Occam

 

Campbell

So tyranosaurs existed in 4000 bc and were catastophically buried?
Please confirm. dinosaurs existed less than 10 thousand years ago?

Occam

 

Occam - whilst I have absolutely no sympathy for those who wish to take us back to the middle ages etc, in the interest of objective historical fact I have to say that the separation of church and state in xtian europe began long before the time of copernicus and galileo.
In Britain for example, Henry II(12th c) began the process by insisting that church people be under civil law, rather than being subject only to church courts as was previously the case. This was the basis for his famous falling out with Thomas Beckett.
In Dante's 'divine comedy' much is made by the author of keeping the church and state separate.

I'd say that once the cat was out of the bag as regards the rotation of the earth round the sun , it was the beginning of the end for the medieval mind-control system that was the church. Rulers though continued to use c/anity as a veichle of oppression for many centuries, and often, this was directed against other xtians of a slightly different persuasion.
Even today, these morons (sorry, but the gloves have to come off sometime)want to hold back scientific research into gene therapy etc.

Those who persist with these beliefs today, are mainly either emotionally fucked up in some way, and think to derive comfort from the doctrines of c/anity (cold comfort though IMO), or else they've been brainwashed, often from childhood onward. In effect, they are just sick in the head.
I really do think that if c/anity isn't actually a mental illness, it comes extremely close to being one. I don't think anyone need look further than this thread to see that. But perhaps 'mental' isn't the word - I think myself it is more an emotional inbalance and incapacity which makes people cling to these outmoded and fatuous ideas and attitudes.
They distrust life, and don't know how to live or enjoy it. And they assume that is 'normal'.

 

OK...small creatures such as trilobites can be buried very rapidly under ordinary conditions...this wouldn't require a "catastrophe".

Campbell, there are numerous other "catastrophic" possibilities beside a global flood that could have produced these conditions at any time in the last couple billion years or so: large meteor and asteroid strikes, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and explosions, tsunami, large amounts of rainfall (other the "40 Days and 40 Nights" of the Bible), global warming and cooling.

I disagree. Conditions required for fossilization can exist locally at present or could have at any time in the past. True, over an aeonically long period there will be numerous catastrophic occurences that will kill many living creatures quickly and then provide the natural conditions necessary for their fossilization, thus producing a much larger number of specimens in a localized area or very large area, within a shorter period of time.

You're making a blanket generalization: Conditions favorable for fossilization had to exist on a global scale, in one short time period, for it to occur at all.