Facts About Jews for Jesus (my comments in purple)

Discussion in 'Judaism' started by vinceneilsgirl, Jul 27, 2005.

  1. cerridwen

    cerridwen in stitches

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    I think we've found a way to over analyze yet another thing....
     
  2. Cerberus

    Cerberus Member

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    One who isn't blind?
     
  3. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Nope just one of many in the world who deny the Bible and Yeshua. It's a narrow path but it is the right one
     
  4. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    JW is not Christianity. But they claim they are, eventhough they're really worshipping the Devil.
     
  5. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    wow, you have so many "who isn't Xtian" lines in the sand, but you disagree with ME defending MY faith?
    What if i was to say there is no devil? Could your mind wrap around that?
     
  6. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    There is no devil? ... yup thats a debate that has never been brought up.......
     
  7. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    ...you're a jew. And you don't believe in the devil?
    Then what about Sheol, do you believe in Sheol?

    If you look at the dogma of the JW's it contradicts the Bible.

    And I suggested that you could call Messianic Jews a cult to, for exactly that reason: We call JWs a cult. Did you skip over that? :p
    Eventhough Messianic Jews don't contradict the Tanakh....
     
  8. Sephardic-male

    Sephardic-male Member

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    A Summary of Why Jews Should not be Christians
    By Keith Kothe

    Jesus said the most important commandment is "Hear O'Israel, The L-rd is G-d, The L-rd is One. Christianity says G-d is three.

    The Torah says the messiah will gather the dispersed of Israel, Jesus failed to cause the dispersed to be regathered, in fact shortly later Israel was destroyed.

    Torah says the messiah will Rebuild the Temple, Jesus proving that he was not the messiah said the Temple would be ground to dust saying not one stone would be left upon another, it was destroyed, however Jesus also failed as a prophet, the western wall still stands to this day. [G. Haas note: not only is the western wall still standing, so are many other sections of the wall around the Temple Mount, so are the steps leading up to the main entrance, so are many other structures such as arches that once supported walkways]

    Torah says the messiah will bring Peace to all mankind. Jesus said that I come to bring a sword, each man shall hate his mother and father. Jesus statements are contrary to Torah and Judaism.

    Jesus said the "Pharisees and the scribes, (persons who interpret and teach the Oral Torah) sit in the seat of Moses, follow them and do all they say." Paul says forget that, forget circumcision, forget kosher, forget everything that Jesus did and said to do, now the law is done away with.

    The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week, Christians say it is the First day of the week, following the pagan customs of the Romans.

    Torah says do not follow strange gods that your fathers did not know. The new testament says that Jesus is a god.

    Torah says you shall have no other gods beside me. The NT says that Jesus (a god) sits at the right hand of the father. Then there is this holy ghost thing that is also a god.

    Human sacrifice is totally against Torah. Further G-d said I am tired of the blood of bulls and goats, I want the sacrifice of the fruit of your lips.

    The representation of eating blood and flesh of a human as in the communion act is the very essence of a pagan ritual. Totally repulsive to Torah.

    According to Torah the blood sacrifice for sin can only be a goat or a FEMALE lamb. That sacrifice can only pay for unintentional sin, committed by accident. The only means of forgiveness for all other sin if for the person who committed the sin to do Teshuva, to repent and do what is right.

    G-d said I make an eternal covenant with Israel, the NT says that covenant is past we now have a new covenant.

    Christianity departed from all of G-ds festivals, the ones that even Jesus kept, and instead incorporated a host of pagan festivals with pagan rituals such as A supernatural Elf that brings gifts, Yule logs, Christmas trees, Bunny Rabbits, and Eggs etc.

    I could go on, but you get the general Idea. As Rabbi Tovia Singer said, Every thing good in the NT is from the Torah, Every thing new in the NT is not from Torah.

    G-d is not a Man, else he would lie. Neither is G-d a Son of Man, else he would change his mind - Numbers 23:19

    http://members.aol.com/just1crzyju/jewnotxtian.htm
     
  9. ryupower

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    Sorry Saphardic, but I've got my oppinions too:

     
  10. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    I am not quite sure how using Yeshua is offensive, considering that it is Jesus's name.

    No, I am not a, "christian", by the definition of the man-made institution of religion.
     
  11. ryupower

    ryupower NO capcom included

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    Your just a follower of Christ ! ;)
     
  12. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Yeshua is used STRICTLY by Xtains attempting to convert Jews.
    And yes HE WAS A FALSE PROPHET. Now PLEASE go back to the Xtain forum. We JEWS do not want you posting conversion attempts and Xtian theological arguments here.
     
  13. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    First and foremost, my post did not reflect, "conversion", in any way, shape or form. Secondly, I have a right to ask a question on a free speech forum, where I have not broken any of Skip's rules in doing so.
     
  14. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    Thentry some manners. This forum is not the correct place for debates about Jesus.
    anymore than books is the place to discuss sweing patchwork or guitar progressions?
    Get it?
     
  15. Wetbikerider

    Wetbikerider Member

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    Too bad Hitler did not put all christians,jews,muslims in the same oven.
     
  16. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    I find it highly disrespectful to receive such hatred when my post did not elude to a pre-conceived notion. The question I asked was on topic and had no traces of a debate or conversion to a,"religion" (Christianity) that I do not even subscribe to. These forums are meant for both questions and discussions. It is quite sad when one cannot question another on their faith without criticism and cynical mind frames. That is the exact reason why stereotyping exists in this world.

    Furthermore, I have every right to speak Hebrew if I so choose to, regardless of the fact that I am not of Jewish heritage. It is my God-given right as a human being to speak the language of my preference. I will no longer waste my time on such animosity, judgement, and apparent racism in this branch of the forums... good day.
     
  17. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    what wearies me is the fact that you claim NOT to be Xtian, but your posts, your signature line and your general logic pattern all point to it. At one point you linked to a church, I believe.
    Are you ashamed of what you are?
    I'm not asking that you not speak Hebrew. I'm asking that you refrain from a loaded (and incorrect) term while discussing here.
    Would the Xtians take it well if I refered to "the dead guy on the stick?"
    Prolly not. It would be disrespectful.
    Please, you are not Jewish.You could perhaps empathize with how we see the term, but you could never understand it. Use the accepted term when debating here, PLEASE.
    Jews for Jesus are seen as a conversion group that specifically feeds on our Torah-loving people who are not well grounded in tradition or identity.
    Really, they are the lions attacking the weak in the herd.
    Also, the fact that they consider children on Gentile mothers to be Jewish is disturbing. By rabinnic law, they are not. Some synagogues accept them in Judaism, yes, but Orthodoxy does not.

    Really read VNG's post. this is our belief, just as the beliefs of Xtains are in trinity, communion, and salvation through a mortal.
    If that is what you believe, OK. But don't try to sell it here.
    People interested in Xtainity will find the Xtian forum, or one of the zillions on the Web.
    THIS is a Judaism discussion area.
    Have questions on a haftorah? and aliya? conversion TO Judaism? How to Kosher? redeeming your son from the koen? then you found your place.
    Want to discuss Jesus? this isn't it. the repeated Xtian presence is perceived as argumentative.
    We do not see, through our centuries of study, that anyone has fulfulled the prophecies of the mosaich.
    You, because you want to believe, turn the scriptures in ways NONE of the great scholars did. That is for you to answer to G-d.
    Please continue you gymnastics in the Xtain forum.
    I will move all future Jesus threads to it.
     
  18. ryupower

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    If it isn't, a bunch of threads here, which were started by Jews, like " Why Jews don't believe in Jesus" should be locked, for debating or even mentioning that name. :rolleyes:

    Who does your Tanakh say is the one and only son of G-d?

    Not to make you angry or nothin', just askin'. :)

    And Yeshua was his original Hebrew name BTW. Not something Christians made up.
    The Greeks only changed it to "Jesus". But nontheless, His original name was Y'shua, as recorded in the Hebrew scriptures. ;)

    And where did the " And yes, Jesus was a false prophet" thing come from?? we never mentioned Jesus being a prophet. ^_^;
     
  19. Wetbikerider

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    jews are full of shit so are christians and muslims they all belong to the same klan.
     
  20. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Gotcha! ;)

    Remember our discussion a few months back when you kept saying Jesus "changed" the law? And I said, "No, your N.T. Bible said he "fulfilled" it...." and you kept arguing the lost point...

    Yeah.... shoe's on the other foot, now. Huh?

    And I would think Jews know more about their religion than YOU would.
     

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