Fat People

Ok... at last this thread is becomming interesting instead of reactionary..

Hippyfreak...you make some good points that i agree with... although i'm not sure i agree with your statement about work and obesity... the very act of getting up in the morning..making the trip to work....rushing lunch and fighting your way back through rush hour, burns calories however sedentary your job... i do agree with the rest of what you say though.... and ones lifestyle outside of work is the main contributer to obesity.... fast food...television as a means of recreation and a total lack of anything physical is a recipe for disaster....

Quest_techies opinion of obesity being a function of affluence isnt one i agree with... unhealthy foods are so much cheaper than fresh organic produce and seem to go hand in hand with lazy lifestyles... watching television is cheaper than going to the gym and any form of excercise or hobby takes motivation.... and the fatter you get the less motivation you have... and this is the key to why so many people fail on diets....losing weight successfully means a complete lifestyle change...and thats hard for those on a low income...

a really simple observation.... loads of dog owners are obese.....but how many obese dog walkers do you see?

I dont believe any of us are dumb enough to be influenced by the media or food corporations into being fat.... on the whole its a lifestyle choice we make... its consumers who dictate the markets.... if we woke up monday morning and all decided to eat a healthy breakfast...make ourselves a salad to take to work... bother to prepare a healthy main meal on our return....turn off the TV and actualy DO something physical... the food and advertising industries would be in a blind panic by Tuesday and bankrupt by Friday unless they gave us what WE wanted....

 

Pabsy, good point, however when most of the nation lives under the U.S. poverty line, we're almost slaves to the system. How many of us can actually afford to make healthy breakfasts, take salads to work, and make healthier lifestyle decisions, I'm sure we would, but as it stands, even trying to eat healthier meat-wise, choosing chicken, you're still exposed to the same chemicals. The chemicals is the main reason, I believe, why most of the nation is bloating up so regularly. The level of obesity cannot just be attributed to lack of movement and bad diet.

 

damn, this is still goin......

 

american poor are still scalarly rich....

consider that an average person in afghanistan makes $800 a year

it's all a matter of scale

 

you also have a point here... and food allergy is something to take into consideration when it comes to bloating.... but thats a little different to obesity i think... I'm a vegetarian and was raised as one so i dont suffer from the antibiotic problems that meat eaters face... i just have to suffer irradiated foodstuffs.... i dont even think claims of organic can be believed unless the crops are grown in a totaly sterile environment... just the fact that crops are grown out in the open is proof enough to me that they cannot possibly be truly organic.... chemicals can travel miles through the air and in water ways....

poverty is still the major cause of obesity i think...not just lack of money but lack of nutritional knowledge.... and here Quest_techie has a point too..... third world countries dont have the option of MacDonalds... they eat healthy or not at all....

 

If the world went vegetarian, thw amount of methane generated by global farting could simply overwhelm the planet.
Frightening indeed

 

oh lol....think you'll find thats a myth.... veggies dont fart anywhere near as much as meat eaters

 

thats cause meat eaters get protein..more protein = more farts

 

I can cook cheaper than you can eat at mcdonalds, the fact that even the people here believe that shit pathetic myth that fast food is cheaper sickens me


and frankly you people don't fucking understand what the fuck I am trying to say

AMERICA IS THE GOD DAMN RICHEST NATION IN THE FUCKLING WORLD

IT IS THE FUCKING FATTEST NATION IN THE WORLD

THE CORRELATION PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWS IN MOST RICH NATIONS

POOR AMERICANS DO NOT EXIST IN A SCALAR MODEL

POOR NIGERIANS SURE AS FUCK DO EXIST

POOR NIGERIANS ARE MALNOURISHED AND THIN

BET YOU THE "POOR PEOPLE ARE FAT" ROUTINE ISN'T GONNA FUCKIN' FLY THERE!


thank you for being so mindnumbingly frustratingly dense that I had to text yell like that, but to say that being fat has "nothing to do with affluence" well guess what if you can't afford extra food, you can't fuckin' get fat

and seriously cook meals for a month, from scratch

then go to mcdonalds everyday the next month

lets see which month you spend way the fuck more.......

 

i could live on fruit, veggies, grains and pasta on far less than i could eating at mcdonalds everyday.

Its not hard. It just takes effort.

note: "effort:" boiling water and dumping pasta in it..coming back 10 minutes later and dumping pasta sauce on it....hard

 

There is something valid in what you sayHowever , not enough to make me go Veggie. Some wafer-thin ham could be included

 

george foreman and a chicken breast..dump it on..come back in 5 minutes..voila

 

Interesting how a thread that started so poorly became so interesting. Rather says something for not shutting down threads and the whole free speech thing. IMHO anyway. My wife made the point when we were talking about this subject that yes she can cook our meals cheaper than we could buy them (as she does) but that the tools, facilities, storage, and staples on hand have to be taken into account. She said that if she had a limited amount of money and was starting over that she could eat cheaper at a fast food place than she could rent and equip a kitchen. Not my area of experience. She cooks - I clean up. However, I wanted to get her opinion out here for comment.

 

george foreman, pot, pan.....70 bucks?

not that huge of an initial investment.

 

it is when you have $30 for two weeks of food...


I only really eat unhealthy foods when I'm at work, because the mall I work in doesn't have any healthy options (at least, not for less than $10 and I make min wage so...) and I suck at packing meals ahead of time

 

you arent going to eat fast food for 2 weeks on 30 dollars. Not for one person, let alone a family.

 

yeah I spent 60-70€ (70-82$) on fast food in 5 days I bet you could live off of that in a month or so, eating real food... This was only dinner, there are two other meal too, but we had something else to eat at those

and then 250-300€ (292.5-351$) on beer and booze for that week But that's not le point

 

Also, have to be living in a place that will let you cook and be within walking distance of a food store. She also says that the poorer the neighborhood the more the stuff in the store costs.

She adds that without storage and refrigeration that you have to shop almost every day. In addition, that your time is worth something too like if you are thinking of taking another job or working extra hours to make things better for yourself.

 

I've spent over 40 bucks on fast food for just me in one night.

 

mcdonalds just seems too expensive to be used regularly. Unless you live on just a bag of potato chips(99 cents) and a thing of soda(99 cents)..it seems like it could be cheaper to cook healthy for most people.