Fixing People

Well, I firmly believe that you cannot fix psychotic. Those people were born with something wrong in their head and they have no conscience at all. You cannot force a conscience or guilt into a person. And most serial killers and serial rapists are psychotic. I believe there are plenty of people who have committed a violent crime because they weren't thinking or because they acted on an impulse. Those kind of people can likely be rehabilitated, given that they are willing. It's just finding the line between the two, because psychotic people can be damn good actors.

 

"long long" sentence means life to me

 

i did, my post was made with your other post in mind.

my point was that training people to look out for warning signs of homicidal people is not the same as trying to fix homicidal people.

i do agree with you though, if this does end up happening i can pretty much guarantee some slightly odd kid who a particular teacher doesn't like is going to be institutionalized just because he happens to exhibit one or two traits that can be considered warning signs.

 

In college education class to prepare for becoming a teacher, I was taught to look out for particular warning signs. The problems with teenagers, however, is that they cannot be properly diagnosed just by appearances because their bodies are going through mental and physical changes. We were taught that if we had suspicions, that we should have a civil discussion with the parents first.

 

Profiling people is not as efficient in achieving our civil peace as caring for one another regardless of relational status. All civility being precisely equal to your relationship with the person standing, next to you.

 

Yeah, and ignorance also gets people killed. I am not going to lie, because I am tired of pretending on this site, but you remind me of those ignorant people in movies that finally get killed in the end and the viewers are happy.

 

I think that its important to identify children growing up in a troubled environment from an early age. These kids may need special attention at school if they aren't getting it at home. Something as simple as extral attention when caught early enough can help immensely.

I do believe some people are just psychopaths, but I don't think people are born that way. I think something happens at a very young age that essentially wires the brain in a way to be colder and more calculated, less emotional than most people. This is why its important to identify troubled children at an early age.

This is something that needs to be approached compassionately rather than suspiciously, at least in children.

Adults are more often beyond redemption.

 

I went to school with a kid who was profiled and accused of lighting a fire in the bathroom based on the fact that he seemed "withdrawn and acting suspicious"

The kid was one of the brightest kids in my graduating class...come to find out, he had a form of autism...but it took officials and psychologists months of grilling him and torturing him to figure this out. I guess it was a blessing and a curse. The kid went through hell with it.

The real reason i think you can not fix some people is because of the guy who raped me when i was young...he was under 18 so the courts didn't know how to approach it. They sent him to county for a year then blasted him with serious therapy.

Needless to say, a year after therapy, he was waiting outside my window almost every night and he was stalking every move i made.

I don't think he could be "fixed"

 

A more interesting question is if people can fix society. Society is the real rapist, murderer etc.

 

i think what needs to be fixed, is a culture in which honesty and a conscience will get you into more trouble then it will keep you out of.

 

No, you can not fix everything but you can always help people. The most frustrating thing is probably that you don't always get the result you want, which does not necessarily mean it isn't worth the effort. If only for the impact it can have on society by shaping that society in one that obviously strives for the best and most healthy state of being for the people in it. Potential mass murderers for instance are rarely content with how society seems to treat 'troubled persons' like themselves or so they often seem to experience it.

 

The movie Clockwork Orange comes to mind.

 

I never pretend. If you think you have a legitimate point then try to do me or mine harm and see how I might respond. I am unopposed in any serious way in life and you are no threat either. Your comment reflects no more that an association in your imagination. You cannot put your money where your mouth is because I really don't legitimately inspire you that way.

I am fruitful. Self reliant with self reliant children and grandchildren all enjoying their lives and are enjoyed in turn by others. It is no accident that this is so and it is certainly no indicator of ignorance.

I am just not codependent with guilt. No one need be guilty in order for my life to be just. Your verdict is against the wholeness of your own reality, not mine.

 

My point is that if people are fixable or in need of fixing then unconditional positive support of our intimates is a good place to start. Far better I think than the voodoo like practice of attempting break bad spirits.

 

I never feel guilty either. That is why I never apologize and that is why I am a borderline sociopath.

 

Do you think you are responsible for the pain of others? Your border must be very far away because you don't feel threatening to me.

 

I don't think teachers should be the word on what is troubled, even if they go through training to be able to identify things, but I think yes, it's very important that they are able to recognize signs and those signs be followed up by more professional resources.

Can people be fixed? Some people can be fixed, others can be prevented, kept safe, limited in their actions if action is taken early enough. Some people are truly damaged at a very young age...it tends to take a pattern of behaviors to really see this, but by a pretty young age, I think psychopaths/sociopaths can and should be diagnosed and treated. I think they need a very restrictive environment to be able to live without taking advantage of others. I don't think it's beyond psychology to create a decent plan for these people before they get to the point where they've been ignored for too long and the elephant in the room begins to stomp on people.

 

So called experts often have issues with coming to an agreement on clinical diagnostics so I think it would be unreasonable to expect a teacher with a course behind them to be able to.

I do think that there are people within our society that can not be changed or helped. They are not wired in a way that makes it possible to do so.