Fla. church organizing burning of Quran

Yeah, what a titanic waste of time

 

It's just a book. You may destroy the book, but that does not destroy the message inside. Such as burning the Bible. Burn all the Bibles you want, but you will not destroy the word of God.

But if they are offended by the burning of a book, in America no less, then what is the value of "the word of Allah" then?
I will tell you though, when someone overseas is offended by us Americans utilizing our Constitutional rights, enough that they make threats, I say it's time to open a can of Whoop Ass.

 

That's the kinda American attitude that many around the world hate.

 

Good point, Odon. Do ya think we would be better off opening the same can of Whoop Ass just because they disagree with us?
It's just a book and it's not in their country. And they want to threaten us?

I am, if anything, supportive of integrating Islam into the American culture. "Freedom of Religion ain't just for Christians" is a tagline I use regularly. But....
- If a Christian church, in America, wants to burn the Quran, let them. Freedom of Speech prevails. After all, it's just a book.
- If a Mosque wants to burn the Holy Bible, gor for it! In Iran, I don't care. Iraq, too. Even in America. The diversity of the First Amendment is one of the foundations that built America. Because, after all, the US Constitution is not really a statement of our rights, but a clarification of what the government cannot do.

I realize that we as Americans and as Christians have made a number of interuptions of Muslim practices in their homeland. Let's be clear about this- if they burn the American flag, what do we do? We let it be. if they burn the Holy Bible in the streets of Tehran, what do we do? We let it be. Only times I know of our interruption is when they prepare to stone a 15 year old girl to death because she was raped. Even then we did not threaten violence.

 

And everyone knows how Muslims regard this 'book'.

 

In this case, I am not sure I care. They are in Iran. We are in America. We do what we do here is, really, none of their business. Likewise, if they want to burn a bible, have at it. I'll even donate a match.

 

To say "burn the Quran - it's just a book and since it is in this country it's none of there business" is a cheap, un-Christ like thing to do. Burn their Quran - they burned our flag, or our Bible or an effigy of our president - they did it first, we have every right.

BS - It seems like what we really want to be is just like religious radicals in other faiths. Doesn't anyone see - Christ taught us to be DIFFERENT. Turn the other cheek, love your enemies - treat cruelty with kindness.

Yet what do we hear "Christians" saying - do it to them - to hell with them - they did it first!! What our religious leaders want more than anything is to be able to act just like "them". Screw what Christ says - bomb thier asses.

Accordingly, Christ needs to be taken out of this equation. What we really need is revenge, spite and hate. Then we could be a truly Christian nation.

 

I really can't tell whether you're trying to be sarcastic, deprecatory or serious. :|

Either way, the sooner people stop believing in all this religious hogwash, the better.

 

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I'm being seriously sarcastic. No way should Christ be drug into this judgmental nightmare. He made Himself pretty clear on judgment an vengeance. He's against it - which is what is killing the Christ in Christian.

 

No.

The sad fact is America is being associated with one of it's citizens.
It isn't helped when you talk of "us" and "them".

There isn't any need to intergrate Islam into the American culture...the vast majority of Muslims living in America are intergrated into the American culture.

If he wanted to just burn the Koran he could.
I'm quite sure somebody does it every day, somewhere in America.
No, this man is inciting racial and religious hatred...and I'm pretty sure this is a crime.
He should be arrested.

It would help if he had actually read the Koran.
It would help if he argued his point about the location of the so-called mosque in a reasonable way.
He claims he is attacking radical Islam, but he seems to be suggesting all Muslims are radical.
How is burning the Koran going to help?
Basically he has the mental capacity of an ant...

That's another problem: Certain people associating American foreign policy as a Christian foreign policy. It isn't. It's totally unreasonable to me as a none American, but Americans are generally seeing everything through a religious prism. And to be fair, so is large parts of the Muslim world. The unreasonable parts. The parts that are as stupid as the vast majority of Americans. That doesn't help.

I would not use the term "we" as if all Americans are sane reasonable people.
They are not.
E.g 1...the subject of this thread.
Do I have to mention Freedom Fries?
Yeah, totally reasonable, tolerant and inteligent people Americans.

 

Well, no. Its actually perfectly constitutional in America to hate anyone you wish to hate. You can also incite other people to feel the same rabid hate. You can use books, even burning books, to further your message. Its quite the same as showering messages of love. You can't legislate love or hate.

 

It's against the law to incite hate in my country. I looked it up and:


The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech. See, e.g., Gitlow v. New York (1925), incorporating the free speech clause. Generally speaking, the First Amendment prohibits governments from regulating the content of speech, subject to a few recognized exceptions such as defamation and incitement to riot. Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent. This strict standard prevents prosecution of many cases of incitement, including prosecution of those advocating violent opposition to the government, and those exhorting violence against racial, ethnic, or gender minorities. See, e.g., Yates v. United States (1957), Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969).

With the pastor I think you could argue either way (He is and he isn't inciting imminent violence.)
I think your laws need updating.

 

When insurgents burn the face off a captured soldier, dont say"we didnt tell you so"..

 

i didnt get it..

 

I think "Insurgents" is Australian for "anybody we kill".

 

What did the FBI say to this Terry Jones nut? (Any relation to Jim?) Did they threaten him with prosecution? Did they tell him that if he does this, and his church or his house goes boom in the night, that there might be lots of other things that need to be investigated before crimes committed against him?

But now there's that crazy church in Kansas...

 

The FBI spent about a half hour talking with Jones, but church spokesman Wayne Sapp would not disclose what they discussed. Agents leaving the church wouldn't talk to an Associated Press reporter.

 

Perhaps, but my problem with that is where do you draw the line? You are from England, correct? Where is the line drawn in your country?

If burning a Koran incites violence amongst Islamic extremists and the pastor was viewed as the criminal instead of the Islams that responded with violence, that sets a dangerous precedent. That would basically give anyone offended by anything the right to respond violently.

There is too much grey area there. The media could also be to blame. Without them, no one but the pastor's flock would know about this event. Middle Eastern muslims would never even hear about this. So who do you blame? Terry Jones, the Muslims that respond with violence, or the media?

I don't think our freedom of speech laws need updating. Our Constitution guarantees idiots like Terry Jones the right to make idiotic and ignorant statements, but it also gives the rest of America the right to speak out about any issues that concern them. If we take away one individuals right to freedom of speech, that gives our government broad power to take away freedom of speech from other citizens.

"I disaprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Evelyn Beatrice Hall

I am interested in English laws concerning freedom of speech if you don't mind explaining to me how it works in your country.

 

Forget Christianity.

Islam will not co-exist with secularism. Everyone in here keeps harping about how shameful Christians are acting. You don't have to be a Christian to know that threat of violence is the default position of Islam. Show a cartoon on South Park and Comedy Central employess will be killed. Episode pulled. Burn a book, we'll burn people. Go ahead and laugh, satirize, insult Christianity, Judaism. Buddism. Hinduism, Scientology, the Moonies, But if Islam is ever included in this type of expression people will die.

Everywhere in the world where Islam rules is a shit hole. Women are whipped for the slightest infraction. They're stoned to death. They're burned alive. Acid is thown into their faces. They are equal to a man's cow or horse - maybe. Preaching Christ is punishable by death.

I disdain Islam. I disdain the cultures that arise from it.

I'm about freedom. I stand with Jones. The rest of you can suck it.