for the skeptics....(nwo)

Hey Balbus, I think you're the predictable one... Rat said nothing about weakening the elite or living in the woods yet... if you'd like to join in in conversation, then do so, this forum is not for selffulfilled bickering.... if you arent here to help(with either knowledge or solutions) then leave....

 

He won't Yon, because he's a moderator. He has the power of the ban the ultimate power of the internet.

 

we watched a globalisation video on economy class today (wich was kinda old) and they talked about the good and bad points of globalisation.....

then it talked about how people in nigerian cities were running oil companies out of the area because their cities and forests were basically flooded from oil spills, wich was one of the bad points obviously (besides the hundreds of millions payed 30 cents a day making jeans or childrens toys living in cardboard houses in cardboard neighborhoods....wich WAS in the movie).....it talked about how much the stock price of their corporation dropped and then it was time to go

so i get to the library to do a current event report and woa....
"Nigeria is fighting a rare outbreak of a vaccine-derived form of polio, says the UN's World Health Organization."

http://www.polioeradication.org/casecount.asp

kinda suspicious sounding.....though i dont know what it could mean

 

Rat didn't appear in the forum yesterday, he's been here for years. Everyone should know his standard talking points which he has memorised from conspiracy websites and repeats in response to any thread on any topic.

I don't think Rat's problem is that he flings mud (although there's plenty of that), its that he lies constantly. He has his own make believe version of history which he drones on about, he can't back it up yet you aren't allowed to question it. The worst part is that even if you were willing to assume his facts were right, even the logic of his rants is totally nonsensical.

Detention camps for civil obedience? Oh yes, any day now! The sky is falling, the conspiracy theorist tell you to be very afraid, make sure you don't vote or participate in society in any way, and keep reading their websites for updates! They are selling fear and it is selling like hotcakes.

The thing is a lot of people of any political ideology are always willing to believe things, good or bad, as long as they are hearing what they want to hear.

For example, Rat says

This is a complete and utter lie. It is absolutely, 100%, wrong. Yet does that matter? If you want to believe the conspiracy, this is what you want to hear, so no it doesn't particularly matter if its true.

The "logic" of this, to pick one example, is that if America signs a free trade treaty - a treaty which gets government out of the economy and lets people trade free from government intervention - and a treaty which the US voluntarily entered and can voluntarily leave - then the globalist UN has succeeded in encircling the US with its tentacles in order to control and enslave it! Short of being certifiably insane or barely conscious, it would be hard to find this reasoning even remotely convincing.

But if you want to believe the conspiracy you can't think things through like that, its counterproductive. You have to just believe, you have to repeat what you have been told to think, and you have to stop questioning things. The conspiracy is true because its true.

 

But if I believed everything I was told, as you claim, then wouldn't I be a war-mongering Bush-bot like yourself, who can only rehash everything he's read in the pages of the Daily Mail or heard on FOX (Sky where you are) News? After all, this is what's shoved down people's throats 24/7. All you do is defend the establishment with your jingoistic bullshit, so who is really the one here who is brainwashed? You constantly defend governments that continually lie to the people to achieve its own ends, yet I am the liar?

You use the same tactic that your buddy Balbus does of creating circular arguments that go nowhere. And if you believe that heavily regulated trade is free trade, and that the government plays no role in it, then I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

 

Oh don’t worry Yono, me and Rat go back years, I knew him when he was a out and proud libertarian forthright in his views that everything should be privatized.

And sadly I’ve been trying to engaging him in conversation for most of those years, you see I’ve been trying to work out the contradictions inherent in his stance – like the fact that he says he is against the rich elite but seems to be working hard to gain them more power.

Thing is that I’m quite happy to tell you what my views are and even happier to discuss them. Rat however doesn’t.

Anyway think about, knowledge is great but to be effective it needs to be used for something, what purposed is there in Rats knowledge? Does it bamboozle you into thinking there is little that can be done so why bother or does it motivate you to take action?

Rats theme has always been that little can be done; the conspiracy is too powerful, it runs everything, controls everything. Voting is useless, organising is useless, protesting is useless, basically any political action or movement is useless.

He seems to want people to descend into the half truths, innuendo, supposition, opinion, lies and sometimes utter fantasy of conspiracy where people do nothing but talk about conspiracy.

Think again about Rats motives and ask yourself what solutions to the worlds problems has he actually talked about?

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I am still waiting for you to explain how I am helping anyone to gain more power. Again, you repeat this mantra without doing anything to back it up. Certainly voting in fraudulent elections that mean absolutely nothing is playing into their hands, as is believing in the Left/Right system they control and laughably call "democracy." To embrace this system is to be a dupe or perhaps just willfully ignorant and/or apathetic. I am helping to wake people up to this system, get them thinking, and then hopefully once enough people are thinking can something be done. It is you that seems to be promoting the current system, so in actuality it is YOU who is projecting on to me what you are yourself guilty of. So who really has the agenda here? Who is the one here that is really being less than forthcoming?

 

Rat

As I say your mantra is do nothing it isn’t worth it, or not quite nothing to you the best way to ‘fight’ the power of the elite is to ‘know’ they worship Lucifer and are heavily into the occult.

Wow the rich must be quaking in their boots.


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I wish we could get back on topic.

 

Did you miss him when he didn't appear for one day? A lot of us have lives outside the internet. Rat tends to provide references and citations, Pepik, tends to spout Fox soundbites.

If the UN is unimportant why does our president need their support and peace keeping troops in areas that he has destabilized. Why was one of his first political gestures after the beginning of the Iraqi war one to try and get their support for rebuilding and gaining back support from Germany, France and Russsia? Why did he feel the need to speak there recently when the Iranian president was visiting the US? And let's not even mention the fact that General/Secretary of State Powell was fed false information in order to plead a case for war to the UN. I'll never forget it. It was laughable, but GW got to drop his bombs.

Much as you have with nuclear disarmament Pepik.

 

To the contrary, I ask you simple and direct questions, to which you can only squirm, lie, and evade.

This is insane. No, its hilarious. Free trade is heavily regulated? This is beyond stupid. Free trade removes regulation, by definition. Do you think you can just say anything, no matter how ridiculous, and it becomes true because you're so in the know about the devil owls and the chemtrails? So lets see, if you remove tariffs, remove quotas, eliminate duties, you are making trade more regulated! Oh yes! Perfect sense.

But in Rat's world, you can just say anything. Nothing has to make sense, nothing has to be backed up. You just say it and then drone on something about Fox news (which I don't get) or Sky News (which I don't get) or blah blah blah did anyone notice I just said deregulating trade makes it more regulated and up is down and hey watch out for the chemtrail breathing devil owls.

 

Yes, BY DEFINITION. Any libertarian-minded person will tell you that there is really no such thing as "free trade," though they call it that and people believe it because they hear the word "free"... kind of like people think the Federal Reserve is federal because they hear the word "federal," when in reality it's no more federal than Federal Express.

These free trade agreements have more to do with increased bureacracy than free trade. A disingenuous shill such as yourself will never admit this, though.

 

By definition free trade is heavily regulated? Are you TRYING to sound crazy?

I'm Libertarian and I can tell you that although trade is not perfectly free, it is certainly getting more free through free trade agreements and deregulation. Its a bit irrelevant since you have shown yourself to be a protectionist at every opportunity.

Can you come up with some new lies once in a while? The BoG, the body which controls the Federal Reserve System, is appointed by the Federal Government and has the status of a Federal Agency. Its as Federal as it gets. The Regional Federal Reserve Banks are not, strictly speaking, Federal. But that's one of your favorite lies of all time - saying "The Fed" when you really mean the RFRB's, not the BoG.

 

No, Pepik, by definition it's what YOU claim it is. In reality, so-called free trade has little to do with trade and everything to do with setting up a standardized global system of international laws and regulations overseen by centralized bureaucracies. It has nothing to do with so-called "free market" economies. There is no free market. Even Greenspan admitted there is no free market in the US.

http://www.forsoundmoney.com/2007/09/22/alan-greenspan-admits-there-is-no-free-market-in-america/

 

I watched the clip and Greenspan doesn't say that.

Why do you constantly lie?

 

Stop projecting. You're the biggest bullshitter in these forums. That's why you spew the same nonsense I hear coming from all the talking head neocons you bow at the alter of.

 

You also say the war in Iraq isn't about oil, but both Greenspan and Kissinger say it is. Who to believe.....?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-weissman/greenspan-kissinger-oil_b_64659.html

 

Oh what a surprise Gardener, you "accidentally" missed this rather important part of the article.

 

Then why did he say it? So removing Sadaam was the big reason...right! He added that to make his orignial comment palatable by republicans. Sadaam could have been removed anytime by the CIA. With less mess.

Greenspan has always been careful with his language, why did he leave himself open this time.

Perhaps years from now and history is written with a clearer hand he doesn't want to be seen as a patsy.