Forced Abortion

I've had just about enough of this moron.

 

Youre a smart, smart boy spence.

 

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Originally Posted by BraveSirRubin
I'm having this discussion with you because I don't like your type. What is your type?

Lazy pothead pseudo-intellectuals.

You don't know shit about a peaceful mentality. Don't you notice how your mentality creates hostility towards you?

I have nothing against discussing. I have a lot against people with no life-experience who think that they know what's good for me.

I will not align my views to gain acceptance... such is the problem...

yes this entirely relates to this thread.

My mentality causes hostility only in those who wish to be hostile... that is, those who DO NOT practice a peaceful existence.

I am not nor will I be hostile towards you.
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That is the context, and that is the meaning.

Yes I am talking about some far off change... a TRUE and WHOLISTIC change... not lower taxes for the next 10 years, or legalized marijuana, etc etc... there is no one issue that must be solved, there are a tremendous amount of issues that must ALL be solved... and in that the only solution is for the people themselves to stand up and say I am an indiviidual who comes to their own conclusions, and will not be lead to any life path out of false necesity - but understand my role in the big picture.

And yes, this is still entirely relevant to this thread

 

try solving your own problems, from what you've written on HF, you have many, before trying to solve the world's.

 

Yes.

As I said, you are talking about absolutely nothing.

Some ideal hiding in the distance.

...and preaching to people will not make individuals out of them. You can't expect everyone to be an individual in this society. Otherwise, who'd serve us food and clean our toilets?

Anyhow, it amazes me how much a single person can talk without saying a single relevant word.

 

I will do both, and will be no less peaceful in either regard

Or I will die before I hit the submit button on this post.

 

How is nothing I say relevant? How can such a statement be made?

Who'd serve us food and clean our toilets? Maybe nobody, maybe you make your own food and clean your own toilets... maybe we all do this and we are all for the better, donald trump to bum on the street - they are both people just the same - just like the girl who got herself into a situation of forced abortion, and can hopefully use this experience to work towards greater things.

If you don't look deep into the distance, how then can you steer clear of otherwise obvious destruction? Point is, you can't... point is everyone needs to put their head up, say they are in control of their own life, and turn our world away from certain and obvious destruction.

 

One fucked up person telling other fucked up people what to do will not lead us into peace.

everyone's just gonna wana flame you. and lucky for you, you're mad pretentious too. So no one's gonna care when everyones callin you out for the shit that constantly spews out of you.

 

Crankyelbow, I dont think you really understand why such a thing as a forced abortion is something that happens in countries like Thailand. I coming from DR, that Im sure society is still WAY more open minded and accepting than the one in Thailand, can still perfectly understand why such a thing happens. Does it makes it right? no, but it's easy for a person standing outside to say, she could have had the baby if she wanted to and make her own decision, is not as easy once you are inside the social structure that looks down on such things. You have no way of knowing how negatively that would have affected her life. It doesnt justify it, but you cannot analyze a social situation from the perspective of your own society, but the one where the person is in.

 

Such problems are not specific to any country... they are human problems, problems that can ONLY be fixed on an individual level, and ONLY addressed by the individual understanding of *why* each action is taken. Had this been a specific social issue to thailand that I did not understand, I would have either not replied or informed myself before replying.

The social climate is of no concern, unless she was physically forced into having sex, getting pregnant, and killing the baby.

Is it a harsh reality... yes... but we generate such problems in the first place, nobody is responsible for anything but what they do... and such responsibility has long term effects that may reach across the world.

I'm not angry in any regard... nor do I wish any other actions would have been taken - such a wish would be in vain... I only wish for everyone who reads about this story to remember how she got herself into the situation in the first place, so that they may avoid it and we may all benefit.

 

As far as I've re-read this thread...

I am the only one suggesting a possibile way to change the social structure so that such things just don't happen. Such a method as I suggest may take 1000 years, but all that matters is things keep going in the right direction and people themselves become peaceful.

Through one there is many... I can only hope my peaceful and logical stances in regard to every action taken brush off on someone, who then keeps it going until the world is a heavenly place to live

I have offered quite a solution, and my solution is not so simple as "vote for ron paul"... nor is it as complex as a 5000 point plan that at any moment can fall to pieces.... it is my logically concluded method to a peaceful world...and if you can logically debunk the idea of peace spreading peace, please do.

There is a solution to such a problem... looks like I'm the only one actually working towards it? Solving a problem does not involve only offering a shoulder to cry on... that is in no way a solution, and most definitely does not prevent future occurence.

 

Oh mother, tell me more.

Tell me more.

 

No one wants to change the fucken social structure of Thailand.

Keep your gringo hands off my deserts!

 

Thailand is not my concern...

all of the world is my concern...

And I am very concerned that people lash out when offered a peaceful method of, well, spreading peace.

We can't latch onto someone else to solve our problems... the best solution to any problem is to not cause the problem.

 

You fail to understand how stupid people are, and how their hate is based on simple things, such as the colour of their skin.

You cannot fix humanity when you fail to understand that humanity is impossible to fix.

What a lovely paradox.

 

exactly. people are imperfect, and as long as this holds true, the world/society/whatever they create for themselves will also be forever imperfect.

it doesn't matter how much sex you dont have, or how many people you smile at, or how many people you try to explain your ideals to. the world will never be a utopia. all we can hope for is to improve our tiny piece of it, and even that can be fucked up by forces outside our control.

 

People are a result of their upbringing....

New people are born every day... these people aren't aware or concerned about race, hate, power, greed... etc etc... these people may be however they wish.

People are hard to change, true.

But people don't live forever.

Today's world is not tomorrow's... things may change however they may change - its on the shoulders of folks born today to change tomorrow by coming to their own conclusions and not accepting anything as "the way it is".

To say the mentality of the world cannot change over 5 generations is to say not only we are the exactly same people as we were 5 generations ago, its to say the future cannot see such drastic changes as the past... and its obviously untrue... now consider 500 generations... if no change ever comes, things COULD stay the same, but if there is a growing mentality to the contrary... eventually things must change, if not even over 200 years. Today entirely effects tomorrow.

Things may only continue *as we allow them to continue*, nothing must be.

 

look, sometimes people hurt. Sometimes people cry. And sometimes life is easier when you have a shoulder to do that on. If the OP's friend wants to cry, then she can cry, and if he wants to comfort her, then he can comfort her.

You've responded with your own bullshit. But no real answer. You don't listen. You talk. and talk. and talk. You love it. You just love to listen to yourself endlessly say pretty words. Pretty words do not change the world.

Sorry man. But you've obviously got your own shitload of problems if numerous people here call you out on it. Do NOT try and fix everyone elses problems when you can't even seem to fix your own.

That's like brittney spears mom writing her parenting book. Fucked up people need to help themselves before they even try to take on other peoples problems.

 

Hmmmmmmm...... interesting.

 

okay, i see where you're coming from. but your idea still has a very basic flaw, and that flaw is not accounting for human nature.

we are animals. plain and simple. we will always behave as such. at a basic level, we care only for ourselves, our survival, and our own benefit. we help others, sure, but because it makes us feel good. that is a benefit to us. we are all selfish, and no matter how you raise a child or encourage peace and harmony, we are all biologically wired to look out for ourselves first and foremost. that is why there can never be a perfect world, or universal peace. we all have a different agenda, and we all want to further ourselves and our well being. human nature is selfishness and want. no amount of proper upbringing or time can change that. it is simply human nature. you can fight it, but you cannot change it.

its nice to have hope for the future and ideals, cranky. but you have to be realistic. you could really do some good in the world with your optimism if you go out and do the things you want to see done. you say you're doing something by sharing your ideas, but clearly, you do not have a receptive audience. you would be better served to lead by example, and you will touch more people with your message if you get out and help others. it may not save the world, but it would be a start.