Forget a Recession! A GREAT DEPRESSION is coming!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. evil i 13

    evil i 13 Senior Member

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    pressed rat is right. look at how the rothschild cartel got started. when their lie spread, prices went down they bought up. J.P. Morgan was a little more clever, but he played a similar swindle. ci bono? wealth doesn't just disappear.
     
  2. Maitreya

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    Do not forget that the time value of money by nature is ever declining. When it reaches zero, the markets will crash, and so will the systems that they fuel. It ought to be interesting.
     
  3. JohnWalker718

    JohnWalker718 Member

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    !!! HEY PRESSED RAT !!!
    You might have done this already in another topic/post, but this is a good spot to explain your whole mentality.
    Is it all about a handful of people getting as much power/money as possible? Or wtf is it, cuz I hear you talking about economic collapse and shiet and my question is why would they want to bankrupt America? Are these internationalist bankers working for the EU or something?

    I dont know jack shit about economics, but all I know is its a SYSTEM and sometimes SYSTEMS are FUCKED up but they work better than other systems. So while capitalism is FUCKED UP, there is nothing else better! yet...


    And Pepik!, I see nothing but hate from you to Pressed Rat, does he not at least have any comments that make sense? From reading more and more of your posts you seem quite the optimist about the "state of the union" (raise eyebrow smiley face... ic ouldnt find it)
     
  4. Pepik

    Pepik Banned

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    Rat is just a standard conspiracy theorist. Sometimes he puts a friendly face on it, sometimes the really looney stuff slips out. If you want to believe that owl worshipping child molesters control the world through the freemasons, and that the holocaust was a jewish plot, and that every single major event is history was a conspiracy, you will find Rat's theories great but don't expect a lot of facts or logic to back them up.

    I'm not that optimistic, i think there is a good chance the US will go into recession, and I sold my investments a few months ago. But going into recession is not the same as the economy collapsing. Its a slowdown, not the end of the world. Every time things go bad conspiracy theorists think the world is ending.
    You got conned if you believe this. Just like Rat.
    Then give me yours.
     
  5. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Paper money means debt, not nothing.

    So if you have LOTS of money you are OWED "shit".

    But that don't mean you'll EVER get to collect....

    As your money slips in value, you are owed LESS AND LESS.

    When you need a barrel of money to buy a loaf of bread (or a few drops of gasoline), perhaps then you'll realize just how screwed you've been by the SYSTEM...
     
  6. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

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    who owns the fed according to you ? and it is actually true that a large number of the top people in america dance about in red robes to a giant owl statue but well i suppose thats perfectly normal
     
  7. evil i 13

    evil i 13 Senior Member

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    i keep an little owl statue in my room named moloch. just for kicks. Moloch was a bull, but the owl symbolizes the hours i keep more than the cremation of care or anything bohemian grove.
     
  8. BULL

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    Pepik,is it too far out there that there may be outside influences shaping our country and its future?Just a question,not intended to upset you ok?
    The state requires you to register and plate your car with a state tag.You renew the plate in your county where you reside.You have to do this annually,or your subject to tickets,fines and maybe more.What changed? Renew what?
    The car didnt morph into a new breed of car,the driver didnt change(well besides thier age and appearance,and maybe thier attitude)
    Once the car is identified by serial numbers to the state thats all that is needed to track ownwership.
    Is THIS not a conspiracy between the state and county,but the federal as well,as it is the same nation wide.
    Bottom line, if you dont give them your money because they say so,then they will confine you to your quarters,(jails built with your registration money)
    I ellected my officals,hoping they would squash these types of rediculously redundant rules.
    I dont believe a person should be punished for not doing redundant acts,or for being debt wise.
    I'm not sure that you realize just how much,many and different influences this country has playing its hand in our future,but you must realize something or you wouldn't have sold your investments early.
    IMHO Peace BULL
    Free Radicals bring about change,sometimes change HurtS
     
  9. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

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    I'm with Pepik on this one.

    The Yen is strong and rising. It's expected to do well this year.

    People keep talking about hitting bottom, because they want to be able to affix the exact point of the low of the economic slowdown. There are maximum and minimum values points on an interval over a specified range in economics. They call them 'critical points' and from them, economists can calculate the rate of change of a slope. The idea is to find a velocity of zero, an inverse velocity of zero, and to consider the acceleration required to reach a point of inflection, if it in fact exists. (Do you ever feel like you speak your own language?)

    The head prof of economics taught me Calculus. Anyway, from what I understand at least, it's good to calculate a foreseeable bottom.

    I predict there will be a slowdown in Europe, predominantly in the United Kingdom this year as they are facing consumer deadlocks and inflation lashes. As much as people would like to think that the United States will impact the Canadian economy, I disagree. Or dollar is at par, and is expected to settle at around 87 cents by the end of the year.
     
  10. Pepik

    Pepik Banned

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    The Fed has several parts. The Regional Federal Reserve Banks are privately owned (nominally, with strict limitations on what they can do). But the Federal Open Market Committee is the part that performs the core central banking functions, such as setting interest rates. The FOMC is controlled by the Board of Governors which is appointed by the President. The FOMC and the BoG are owned by the Federal Government, although "owned" is a bit strange in this sense, you wouldn't say the Federal Government "owns" Congress, but it definitely is not owned by anyone else.

    Outside influences? There must be thousands of interests influencing the country. But controlling it? No.

    I am not predicting a value for the Yen or the dollar or anything. I am just pointing out the giant hole in Rat's logic - if low interest rates killed off a currency, the Yen would be dead.

    I sold because I think the economy is slowing down, the housing market is getting weaker and the credit crunch is getting worse. But I'm not expecting an economic collapse. Its normal, every once in a while (2001, 1988) the markets go down, I just had a feeling it was going to be around now.
     
  11. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    But it's not just low interest rates we're looking at here. It's low interest rates and extreme devaluation of the world's number one reserve currency, coupled with massive debt and trade deficits. How long are the foreigners going to continue to fund our debt to the tune of 2-3 billion dollars per day? The only direction the dollar can go is lower and lower, as more liquidity and lower and lower interest rates are needed to keep the markets from crashing. The yen is rather quite irrelevant compared to the dollar, and it's moronic to compare the currency of a producer nation like Japan, to a largely consumer nation like the US, which has almost no exports. Stop resorting to your usual diversionary tactics and address the role of inflation in its impact on the US dollar.
     
  12. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    In other words, what he is saying is that the international bankers (Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Morgans, Warburgs, etc.) are subservient to the US government and its puppet politicians (when it's the exact opposite), simply because they have created the illusion that it's a government institution (it's not) that is actually audited (it never has been) and answerable to Congress and the American people (which it's not).
     
  13. Maitreya

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    The Federal Reserve is a private entity that is subject to, but not controlled by, government regulation. They fund themselves, indicating their independence from government, although some of their funding comes from securities in our own government. But because they get a lot of their funding from interest in other countries and they do not make a profit, a recession will not effect them in the same way as the rest of the economy. For them, when the economy is good, business is good. When the economy is bad, business is still good.

    Anyone who thinks that there are no people who have extended interest in the Federal Reserve are being naive. And those who run the Federal Reserve also have extended interest in other countries and other private businesses. A conflict of interest has always been an issue here.
     
  14. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    Ranked #4 in the world, in exports.

    Germany 1.361 trillion
    European Union 1.330 trillion
    China 1.221 trillion
    USA 1.114 trillion
    Japan 665 billion


    Why is it, that the people who think they know more about "$" than everyone else, have the hardest time obtaining it, "$".
     
  15. stev90

    stev90 Banned

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    I agree with Skip.
    The Japanese make nice cars and t.v.'s sets, while we give them back, paper with less and less value.

    I love America. :jester:

    Maybe, someday, they might learn to smarten up...
     
  16. BULL

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    What is reccession? When something receeds or lose's mass,or strength.
    The U.S. as well as the rest of the world have reccessions every year,whether you believe it or not.When the dollar,yen,euro lose even 1 cent, it has receeded.
    On a global stage you have more players and influences,and you have more opportunities to have a conspiracy against one or all.
    When this winter is over,the yen will not be as strong as it was last year,as they have had one of the worste snow seasons in history.With people and governments on the ready to help them,there will no dought be some conspireing by some to profit off the problem/solutions.
    Same goes for the U.S. bailout.
    China is loosing exports because of lead in everything,bad food products,dangerous products and so on.
    This in turn might be a good thing for us.The consumption of goods that Asia is going to require to get back to normal will be opportunities for many,and may even stengthen our dollar.
    The U.S. gold reserves is what actually shores up,or backs our currency.Not the federal reserve.The federal reserve is to insure our banking system,and its accounts,not our economy.The federal reserve has been taking controll,because dirty politicians think they can spin it this way.FDIC is an insurance of our cash in banks.Usually each account is insured up to $100,000.00.Our government cannot produce this kind of money in a system wide collapse,if they did you wouldn't loose value in the amount of money you have.Its just the opposite when it is owned by private enities,because they have no investment in the system only the currency.
    If the government destroy's its citizens finances,then who will support it?
    Its own people are broke so no help there,they cant give anything,as a matter of fact they are pulling thier assets early to minimize thier loss,which in turn adds to the collapse.Are they going to turn around and give it back to help?
    After the cost's rise so high something has to give.I was hoping to see the day when you could buy a home for $1 billion dollars,while you earn $1 million an hour,and gas is $150,000.00 a gallon. Seriously when does it stop?
    It stops when the government,governs it.It being outside influences.
    Reccession is not to be feared,the outside influences,and the lack of real leadership are though.
    What is really sad is we see what is happening right now with our system and its corrupt activities,and right now is the best opportunity to radically change it to benefit the people,but yet the citizens are whole heartedly following these fools like puppies,not even thinking for themselves.
    Mankind traded goods with each other before the invention of a govenment,or ruler's and thier currency's.These items didnt loose value,and the bearer got what it was worth.Sure sometimes the harvest was short,or only 50 pelts instead of 100,but they had the same value as before,untill they became limited in quanity.Only when money was made did it take that power away from the bearer,and his goods.Trading was a way of life for 1000's of years before some greedy bastard put his 2 cents in.
    Govern-ment to govern,restrict,control limits,control actions.
    Why dont we use govenor's on our transmissions in our cars anymore?
    People wanted to go faster,have thier own control.
    So why have a governing of you life? You cant live it right? You dont know how to live it? You would just kill yourself? What?
    Forget the Jews haulocaust,what about the American Indians?
    Before this country was taken by caucasian people,there was approximately 200-250 million indians here.They thrived without a universal governing body.
    Talk about a haulocaust,they were slaughtered like a lawn mower over grass because they couldn't be controlled like other people.
    Its about control of you and your asset's which if they didn't have there would be no government.
    Governments are for the weak people who cannot survive on thier own,and are willing to give that control to others.
    The world economy is going to take a hit,because the world has become a global market place,not just the U.S.
    Abolish governments especially if they own the federal reserve and not the people.
    IMHO Peace BULL
    Free Radicals bring about change,and sometimes change HurtS
     

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