Forgiveness

No, what I said is that fanaticism only leads to more fear and hatred. Fanatics also twist things so that all other points of view come out as the opposite of their own. Which is exactly what you did.

 

How's this.. I'll even give you more ammo for whatever reason you seem to want it...

I am not only fanatic about being against pedophiles and child molestors, but one could also call me rabid about it all...

For whatever reason you choose to point this out, you still only comment on the issue of my attitudes about it and nothing about the issue itself...

Why is that?

 

I did comment on it. You missed it.

 

You commented on the OP, you didn't comment on why you are more willing to offer forgiveness and acceptance to a child molestors then you are to those who hate them.

 

That's all I care to comment on. Your childish attempts to twist what I said are not worth responding to. Neither are your transparent attempts to divert the conversation from the fact that your wild-eyed, trigger-happy fanaticism does nothing to help solve this girl's or any other girl's dilemma and in fact only leads to further hatred and misery.

I don't care to waste more breath on this, nor on you. Good day.

 

lol I agree with her. you seem like a good guy with good intentions but you are really ignoring the humanity of these people, even in light (or darkness) of the horrible acts they have committed. one man is not the same from one moment to the next, do you have any idea the kind of pain these people go through? they obviously hate themselves as much you hate them. and hating them only makes it worse... hating them is what causes so mcuh fucked up shit in our society, it's this very hatred and ostracizing etc which turns human beings into serial killers and rapists etc.

every human being is a human being just like you...

 

This is sort of interesting because the same ire that inspired tom to respond as he did,has been used to turn the tide and the subject from one of "forgiveness" into one of demanding each view is the correct one."The judgement you give will be the judgement you receive", seems to have been demonstrated here.hmmm, just an observation.

 

I think you are all very much responsible for the world we live in.

All your philisophical bullshit is just that.

Love conquers FUCK ALL in this world... and I can say that and I can be as fucking rabid about child molestors and predatotrs that I want to be because I am one of those people that had their life turned upside down by them.

I am also the person who took that and turned it around into fighting against child molestations and the people who enable it. Like yourselves. People who preach forgiveness to the child molestors and attack those who fight it.

Let's be 100% clear here... Your type IS responsible for there being a segment of the population who feel they have the right to be predators. Your's is also the type that is responsible for keeping good people ducking for cover rather then standing up for what is right.

As for the bullshit of 'turning this into each side demanding its view is correct"... my view is that child molestation is absolutely 100% wrong. And you know what... I have more then a big enough set of shoulders to tell you and anyone else who wants to argue against that, to fuck right off.

 

Just wanted to bring to your attention that the original post is about 'forgiveness' and finding an attitude towards a family member - asking for advice and assistance in order to find their own - rather than calling for a broad crusade against child abuse. There may be a subtle difference here.

So ... please stay on topic.

Thank you.

 

The topic is forgiveness and I am stating why I don't belive it should be given to the predators and what harm it does when people do give it to them.

 

Let us not stray too far from the topic. We all have strong emotions on the subject.

What worries me is that the OP is considering bringing a child molester in to her life and the safty of her children could be in jepordy.

Even if the preditor is remoursefull after the dirty deed. The child is still trumatized for life, IF that is, they survive.

When I lived in Phoenix in 75ish, there was a child killer/raper on a killing spree in the area. My husband's niece was a victon of the demon and she was tortured and killed.. she was 5. He came in through a window while the parents slept. Seven little children were lost in his wake. Parents took to sleeping with their kids and had neighborhood watches walking the streets with ball bats and flashlights.

He was never apprehended and maybe still killing babies. What it did to the parents was devestating. What it did to the community was devastating. The children are dead and went through horrendous agony and fear.

My own grand daughter was molested and her life has been shattered and the pieces strone hell west and crooked. She has been in therapy for 5 yrs and still there is no breakthrough. She is living with me now and the road to recovery is steep and rocky.

I understand Tom's frustration when hearing that these preditors are human and deserve forgiveness.

These ones are NOT being human and are motivated by a different energy that is devient and has no LOVE in it. Nothing about it is acceptable or to be condoned in our society. Nor should it be forgiven. When you are forgiven your slate has been wiped clean and you are free to continue doing harm knowing that you will be forgiven for it.

It is not a sickness that can be cured or treated. These ones do not change or "Get Better" They hide behind The System and continue their deviated ways. They should not be given a second chance to bring devatation into other ppls lives, or to reproduce!!

I believe these demons should be destroyed like a rabid dog and seek their forgiveness from Creator.

The OP should thank her lucky stars that she was not around to become a victom of this demon and should do whatever it takes to rid herself of this demons game plan before it touches her own babies. It you write this demon that will be his opening to come in. How did he find you.. why you? BC he can feel your weakness and is playing on them. He knows where you live. That in itself would make my hair stand on end.

If you think he has changed you best think again. He did it over n over to your aunties for yrs. It's part of his makeup, it's in his blood. It didnt happen just once and he is sorry..It went on for yrs.

If I was your auntie and you befriend this monster I would disown you. It would bring it all back and he would WIN, still holding power over them. Dont you think They deserve your loyality and not this monster that robbed them of their happiness.

The fact that he never had to 'pay' for his crime against them is bad enough but to actually tell him, It's OK and your forgiven is just plain lewdacriss and you are spitting on your aunties pain.

Think deeply about this,do not make a horribale mistake that could harm you and your family further.

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Yes and we have heard your version several times,you are not the only person on here with an opinion. Reel in the claws your fighting imaginary enemies,can no one even make an observation without pissing you off?

 

qft

 

Anyone can make any observation they wish to make. If it is about me, they can fully expect me to respond to it.

Why is that hard to understand?

 

It is not hard at all to understand, however you do invite comment with your harsh views and comments.We are not friends on here,only people making observations.In my opinion there are several people that want to control these forums with argumentative responses and in doing so stop others from posting,because of fear of being attacked.You had your say, now let it be.

 

Your opinion is noted...

I will continue to express mine as I choose to.

 

I just don't get your angry attitude... whether we agree or not I respect you as an individual so why come on here with such harsh language, telling us to fuck off and such?? I say that your view on this subject is too dualistic, you say everything I say is "philosophical bullshit"? does this really seem like an appropriate response? yaknow? and love is more powerful than you can imagine, if that is really your worldview, I am sorry for you honestly... pessimism begets itself

And for the record forgiveness has absolutely nothing to do with saying that the act for which you are forgiving a person is excusable...

 

Check the timing of when this went from a conversation to (to use your words), me using such harsh language.

 

I can understand the attitude Tom and the Heifer have towards those that would take or ruin a childs life. They've been there. I know this is radical for me to say,but if my little grand daughter was molested or killed by some warped individual,my job in life from then on would be to see that justice (as prescibed by me) was done.

 

Thank you scratcho for the respect that you have given to the ones thats lives have been affected by these terrible individuals. It is very difficult to know what it is like unless you have experienced it.
For those of you that have never had to deal with trauma or a traumtized child you need to have compassion for them, it is they that have had their innocents stolen and their minds and bodies torn apart. Take no pity on their assailents.
Tom was a victom of abuse, yet you call him down bc he stands and testifys of the pain and horror he went through and how he feels about these monsters and you want to defend the preditor.

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