France Mourns 12 Dead In The War Against Free Speech

I have been reading about it longer than you have lived on this planet.

 

Just to be clear....the killing of those cartoonists was very wrong.....very wrong.....

 

I agree with preventing such a terrible thing from happening again. I also think that exterminating Palestinians as Ariel Sharron had done should be prevented. I think preventing free speech in France and Canada reaches beyond the theater of operations concerning the matter. Here in the USA we can say what we want and that has not caused a Holocaust. A few years ago Irv Rubin the founder of the Jewish Defense League was convicted of trying to kill a member of congress. He was also known for bad-mouthing Arabs and Muslims. I would have not supported the taking of his freedom to run his mouth. In Johnstown Colorado you have a radio station that bad-mouths Arabs and Muslims 24 hours of every day. I do not support anyone who would shut them down. There needs to be an effort to win people over to the good side, to the "good force" in the world. It is sad that people still fight and kill each other over problems that started in the dark ages.

 

Personally I don't immediately think of civilized countries when I think of restrictions to riot or inciting them. It seems the more a country is uncivilized and lacking progression the more their government tries to restrict such incitements. Again: freedom (of speech) can be a double edged sword. Doesn't mean we should restrict it.
The passion and validity certain peacelovers think they have for restricting certain remarks about the holocaust is the same passion and validity a lot of other peacelovers have for forbidding cartoons that mock the prophet mohammed. Wether I share sentiment with them or not, I am not for forbidding either.

I see what you say and acknowledge it is a hassle to deal with people that say dubious things but we just disagree about the solution and how to exactly deal with this. I don't think that will change, which should be no problem at all.

I can relate to this. But while I do care about the latter I don't think we should ban things when that causes to restrict our freedom of speech. It is better to work on the cause why they think they can deny it and to react (by convicting specific offensive speech in court if necessary) to it when it happens, rather than forbid things in advance.

 

I figured it was something like that. Thanks for the fix. I did follow Karens recommendation earlier, and was able to get it

 

Let me provide this one then

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/france-arrests-54-in-hate-speech-anti-semitism-crackdown/article22442506/


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Sorry I skipped this at first. I don't see the point for you to call me names (although I might even like it ), the point is I should never take the possibility to do so away from you in advance.

 

Of course, i agree with that, Asmo.....I would not want to take any rights away from anyone in advance, either....i think people should be who they are......period...if people want to attack me, for instance, that is their choice, but it is also my choice to never speak to them again......if that is what i choose....



No, i do not have any names i wish to call you at this time....

 

I may sit here and make a cartoon of things, though, to work out anything I wish to......lol

 

In the spirit of this, someone hurt me very deeply once, and I worked it out by painting him with red eyes and exaggerated his problems....drinking....all day, etc....I was over the hurt after I made the painting, and he never saw it.....but it helped me.

i did not slash his tires or anything violent, though.

 

Hear, hear!

 

There is a man in Canada by the name of Jerry Riddick. He is black and maybe a Muslim. He put out several Tweets to make jokes about Jews in the Holocaust and about Americans jumping out of the World Trade Center during 911. The Canadian police have arrested him. He is saying that if people use freedom of speech to be critical of Muslims and to insult Muslims then he should have a right to insult Canadians and Americans in a like way. It's a goose and gander thing.

 

When the terrorists entered the Kosher market in Paris and started shooting, a Muslim man who worked there took a group of people down to the basement and hid them in a freezer. Seven of those people were Jewish. The Muslim man's name is Bathily.

 

I think it's hard for Americans to fully understand Europe's problem with anti-Semitism because we haven't experienced anything exactly like it. They have to take steps to make sure the Nazi monster stays in its grave.

The closest parallel we have here is slavery and the Civil War. Certain kinds of racist speech are prohibited on the job by a variety of federal workplace regulations, and some other kinds fall under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Obviously, we're never again going to tolerate white supremacists regularly making public speeches about black people not being fully human.

So... how many wives did he actually have?

When someone presents themselves as a leader, they invite scrutiny on themselves.

 

Hey, anyone heard about this cat? He's a Muslim from Mali, same as the gunman. He was at the kosher market that day.. Difference is, he's a fuckin' hero and now France has said they will grant him citizenship because of his actions.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/15/377535437/hero-of-kosher-grocery-siege-will-become-a-french-citizen





Lassana Bathily, a Muslim born in Mali, will become a citizen of France. Bathily saved Jewish shoppers at the Parisian kosher market where he works from an Islamist gunman by hiding them in a basement walk-in refrigerator.

Francois Guillot/AFP/Getty Images

"Four Jewish hostages died, but many of those who survived say Bathily helped save them.

"'I didn't know or care if they were Jews or Christians or Muslims,' he said. 'We're all in the same boat.' "

 

Yes, 2 posts above yours:

But thanks for the additional info and the link

It seems french people started a petition to grant this guy french citizenship and now he gets it. Good for that guy of course. Too bad for all those other african fugitives that you first have to save 6 people from a terrorist attack in order to get the same chance... I smell a new Hebdo cartoon coming up

Good example of why we can't always have the cake and eat it too. Freedom of speech doesn't count only for people and ideas we identify with...

 

According to Wikipedia, Muhammad had 13 wives. Also, traditional sources say that he consummated his second marriage when she was nine or ten years old.

 

More than the 4 the average muslim man was/is allowed. It seems though that muslims do not have a problem that their prophet and ancient leader had more wifes than them, so if they don't question this aspect of their most important leader in history, and it doesn't cause a problem among Mohammeds followers why do you ask/does it matter?
If we go carry on with this subject it should probably be done in another thread, as I think we all agree this one should be mainly about the happenings in France.

 

Yeah that was too brief, not enough info and no link. I didn't know what it was about.

 

When Mohamad was alive in 585 AD, the land that is now Saudi Arabia was run by Jewish (Talmudic) law. Jews may have been a majority. And Talmudic law permited the marriage with young girls. That's 1500 years ago. Mohamad was later trained by a Christian priest by the name of sergis Bkhira in Jerusalem. So Islam evolved from Jewish and Christian origins. From the Talmud: "A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than 9 years old." (Sanhedrin 54b)
"When a grown man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing." (Kethuboth 11b)
"A Jew may marry a three year old girl." (Sanhedrin 55b)

So you can see that life 1500 years ago was quite different; and, all religions have shocking clauses if we cherry-pick through the so called "holly" books. Humanity needs to grow out of the trench of ignorence that is traditional institutional religion.