Freedom or peace

Ignorance is Strength

War is Peace


Freedom is Slavery

 

Elaborate please?

 

Apparently there used to be this author called george orwell who wrote (amongst other things) 1984... which featured a government directed language correction department (i.e. rewriting the past, censoring the present and obscuring the future)... and which also revolved around a world and a society built upon double-speak.

 

Tis a great read, recommended to all: 1984

was published in 1949 or thereabouts

 

I heard of it, already red Animal farm by Orwells some years ago. Gonna get 1984, it's recommended to me several times actually

 

DEFINATELY read 1984. Brilliant.

 

If i can be free to smoke my pot anywhere anytime, then i will be peaceful

 

REAL freedom leads to peace.

 

Perhaps! But peace for who? And what do you think is real freedom anyway? When we restrict our freedom so that we never bother others so they will be peaceful?
Sometimes it even seems to me that if someone wants to be really free it will always affect the peace of others. And of course the urge for peace of some people will limit the freedom of others as well. I guess in the end it's all about balance again.

 

well i don't see how anyone can feel free without being able to feel secure (from their fellow humans, nature can be survived on its own terms with a little common sense and a lot less interference from other humans with doing so).

and i don't see how anyone can feel secure as long as we continue to be artificially manipulated into having to depend on being able to manipulate each other, as we do under corporate capitolism, and probably under other econo-idiologies as well, for our survival.

annonymity is feedom. conventionality, (unless its in harmony with nature, like indiginous conventionalities, not the dominant gratuitous loonacy), is tyranny.

i really don't see how you can be free without being at peace, nor how you can be at peace, without being free. by free though, i mean not prevented from living in harmony with nature's cycles of renewal, which is the main thing, reguardless of tec levels or otherwise beliefs.

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Really that is not a tough question i would hate peace without freedomatriot:

 

I won't even try to choose between one or the other. They both go together, in my not very humble opinion.

 

It's not about choosing one and the total absence of the other. That's quite unthinkable indeed. It's about which you personally favour more.

 

I hate it that we cant have both, but I would have to say freedom. Perhaps one day we will have both. *sighs*

 

no question Freedom.

 

I choose neither because there is no real peace nor freedom in this world.


They're both illusions. There's nothing to hold on to.

 

Well, what do you long more for then: to feel at peace or to feel really free?

 

I would go to a place where there is neither the illusion of peace nor freedom.
In other words, I would embrace whatever state is unfolding, to be replaced by another.

 

Freedom.

I mean I would love both. But if there was world wide peace that wouldn't necessarily mean that we were free.

 

Do people honestly think we can ever get both, considering the world we all live in today? I mean, yes, peace would be nice, instead of always hearing how many of our people die fighting for some godforsaken reason, and freedom, would be beautiful. But the type of freedom that would make the first step would be the freedom to be who you want to be without discrimination. I see neither in our distant future.