Too bloody right. I mean really, sticking up posters of cows being mutilated while a person is trying to eat his junk food on the run between service calls. It's just bad manners. Shouldn't they be out feeding the 3rd world children? Or maybe even looking after their own?
Are you here to have a conversation or just to make a prick of yourself? If you've got anything intelligent to contribute - or hell, I'd even settle for genuinely witty - please feel free to do so.
Actually you're right. it is a bit crap and boring trying to stoop down to the level of intelligence that places animals above human beings. I'm too tired for all this. have a job you know! Night.
Just to be serious for a moment..... I always try my best as a veggie to be tolerant of those who see the world differently. I don't judge people for eating meat and I don't see myself as morally superior. People making comments about eating burgers in front of animal rights stalls doesn't make this easy though. Maybe try and spread a little understanding instead of sarcasm? You want sarcasm, I can go at it all day, but it really doesn't get us anywhere, does it?
Ok, consider, I dunno, an Iraqi who's just lost his house and his family and his way of life because G W and Uncle Tony think that muslims are evil and also fancy a bit of that oil, actually the reason doesn't matter, the fact remains that it's happened. Now then, go up to this bloke and start preaching about the poor animals being mistreated by farmers. Then you'll have an idea about the burgers. Which do you think is the bigger insult?
I eat meat I try to give valid reasons and arguments as to why I do and why I do not feel guilty doing it.......and then everytime you get some prick going on about "their burgers" and "fucking steaks" etc........*sigh* What can ya do.... Sax machine...Is this thread about the iraqi's or George Wanker Bush...NO!! Do most of the vegetarians on here give a big shit about that too..YES!! This is a seperate argument, if the thread was called would I rather eat meat or bomb the iraqi's then maybe I would get your point....but its not is it!!!...It is not making one more important than another but this thread is about meat......I agree with Dok... you are an idiot!! and an embarrassment to meat eaters everywhere....If one thing ever makes me become vegeatrian its gonna be people like you!!
This has actually been tested for me very recently. Last week there was an incident in which some of my friends witnessed bouncers separating a gay couple who were kissing in a club. My friends put together a letter, which we all signed, denouncing the club's management for active homophobic discrimination. Some of my other friends refused to sign the letter on 'religious' ground. Since then I've very much distanced myself from them, I never knew the extent to which their bigoted views ran. So obviously I would agree with you that a line has to be drawn somewhere, and that line is subjective to every person. If anyone here wants to shun me for eating meat, then it's their right to do so, but personally I do not find eating meat morally objectionable. It is about individual choice, and if my individual choices have offended anyone, I'm sorry, and I would understand if that meant a change in the nature of our relationship - just as much as I would expect anyone to understand why I don't want to be friends with a homophobic or racist person....
Who has the right to decide what is fundamentally morally wrong, and to draw the line? If the line is subjective to every person... (I'm getting a bit confused here... ) Some people think eating meat is wrong, some think racism is wrong, some think homosexuality is wrong, some think "preaching a religion" is wrong... Who has the right, or "a duty", to try and stop what they think is fundamentally morally wrong? Only vegetarians or anti-war people or also religious people who think homosexuality is immoral or something...? Why do some get shouted at for talking about their views and others don't? Just asking... not trying to be clever or anything... (I obviously am not ) ~peacetulip.
Oh here we go again. There's that yank attitude of "oh you've got to allow racism and homophobia else you're infringing people's rights to freedom of speech." Erm, what about black people and gay people's rights? Now as far as I'm concerned there's something fundamentally wrong with racism and homophobia and I can't see any downside of putting and end to both forever, can you? As for all my point about poverty. What I'm trying to get across is that a person only has so much time and energy which they can spare to devote to a cause. now if you choose to devote it to animals by putting up posters and standing behind stalls and calling out slogans and going on marches, then that doesn't leave a lot of time for anything else. So what you're saying is that animal rights are more important than things like poverty for example. That really takes the piss in my opinion. Eating meat is a very normal part of human life, like it or not. Some people like to have protein in their diet and eat the food that they've evolved to eat. Racism, Homophobia, Bombing muslims, or leaving people in the poorer areas of africa without any decent food or healthcare gets no-one anywhere and it's an insult to a huge number of people to suggest that animals are more important than they are.
Yank attitude?!?!?!? Which post are you referring to here? Mine? If so, where did I say "you've got to allow racism and homophobia..." I was simply asking who has the right to decide who is allowed to promote their ideas and who is not and who has the right to decide what is FUNDAMENTALLY wrong?
I agree. Nobody has the right to decide what's objectively right and wrong. The best we can do is to choose whether or not we respect the opinions of others based on whether they're informed by compassion, ignorance, hatred etc etc. Whether we respect the opinion of another should be determined not by whether we agree with them, but by whether we respect their motivation.
What a load of fucking rubbish. I assume from your sig that you go to football matches? Or at least watch them on TV? Well, you could be spending that time fighting to end global poverty. So what you're saying is that watching football is more important than ending global poverty. That's really taking the piss in my opinion. And it's an insult to a huge number of people to suggest that football is more important than they are.
Tulip, if you don't think my post was about yours then why did you react like that. My post wasn't about yours, it was about previous posts as well. So if it's not up to us to decide that racists and homophobics are cunts, then are you suggesting that they aren't? And Doctor Atomic. Yes, I am a committed football supporter, but that's just what's important to me. I don't go around telling everyone that they should be QPR fans as well, well not unless they're Chelsea fans and therefore are asking for it. I certainly don't go around putting up posters and setting up stalls for it. What you're saying is entirely beside the point. Football is about leisure, not about trying to change the world. It takes a lot less time and effort to support a football team than to raise money for a charity.
I'm not suggesting anything... Did you actually read what I posted? I think the Dok said it all quite well here:
So if it's ok for you to spend time following football, why's it not ok for someone else to spend their time campaigning for animal rights? Face it - you just have a chip on your shoulder.
Sax Machine, So much of what you say does sound so unbased in logical thought. For the record 1. I have a full time career 2. I spend time on anti-war / human rights / environmental / animal rights causes and support others that do 3. I enjoy many hobbies that are not politically motivated 4. I travel often for work and pleasure 5. I have many friends (i think ) and manage to spend quality time with them as well as my family In summary, It is possible to lead a full and productive life without being single minded even if you feel it isn't:$ It does seem like you are blowing off steam without fully considering the implications of what you are saying. You may think it is wasting time to campaign for animal rights... but if an animal rights campaigner hadn't taken the time to explain the issues to me (and point me in the direction of finding out more for myself) I wouldn't be where I am now... and trust me when I say that I would never ever want to get back to being the close minded omni I was before I saw things as they really are. Infact... one of the big reasons I became politised was through conversations with campaigners and activists follwed by a lot of reading and experience on my part. I am very glad that there are people out their in life putting themselves out to make a stand and educate people like you and me.
