Fuck Christianity!!!

I am still wondering how is the Bible proof... is it proof because it says it is? I mean come on seriously...

 

Although the Bible says it was inspired by God... it does back itself up by primarily through prophecy. There are hundreds of websites that talk about the inspiration of the Bible... but for some reason it is not a hot topic of research.

 

the bible is complete bullshit. god only exists because humans believe in him. stop wasting your life believing in this stuff, and get around to making a difference in the issues of our current society. how are you expected to get anything done if you spend all your time on your knees praying to some person up in the clouds you dont even know exists? the only reason to believe in god is the hope of an afterlife. fuck afterlife! we already have this life remmeber? enjoy it, and if there happens to be some magical and perfect life next, then good. dont count on it though.

 

Monolith...Your religion is what? You obviously have a firm hold on faith. Do you have one of your own? I believe in the works of the Christ based on my Christian faith. The Bible? Based on faith. It's called faith for a reason. Now, that being said. What is your religion or faith? If we're going to have a long term debate let's put all the cards on the table. I am a Bible believing Christian. You adhere to what? Ante up.

 

There are plenty of prophecies in the Bible which did not come true.

Taken from the Skeptics Annotated Bible:

God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible (Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13) show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 13:15, 15:18, 17:8, 28:13-14

Contrary to the prophecy in 48:21, Joseph died in Egypt, not Israel. Gen.50:24

God promises to give Joshua all of the land that his "foot shall tread upon." He says that none of the people he encounters will be able to resist him. But later we find that God didn't keep his promise, and that many tribes withstood Joshua's attempt to steal their land. 1:3-5

See especially these two:

False prophets are to be (you guessed it) executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. (Watch out Jehovah's Witnesses!) 18:20

God puts a "lying spirit" in the mouth of his prophets. 22:22

I apologize for not having the book titles. You can find them on http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html.

 

Please provide a prophecy that you think is the best example of an unfulfilled prophecy and provide the chapter and verse.

 

I am pagan, I guess you could call what I belive Pantheism.

I believe that God is nature not some man "watching over us". There is a universal spirit that connects everything. That is God. Conciousness is God.

I see the Earth as the great mother because that is where everything originated. I do believe evolution as occured, there are more facts to back it up than anything else.

Right now I have been studying the religion of my ancestors(Cherokee Indians) and also my German and English ancestors(before Christianty spread to the regions).

 

There are a few verses of failed prophecy and contradiction.. JesusDiedForU

Exodus 45:2: Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

So people who work on the sabbath should be killed?

Mathew 24:34: Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

2000 years ago...

Mathew 12:40: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

If he died on a Friday and was resurected on a Sunday(at or before dawn)... Thats not even 3 whole days and nights...

Numbers 31:17: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18: But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Ordering of God to kill everyone except virgins then telling them to KEEP The virgins for themselves... hmm I wonder what for... sounds pretty sick to me...

 

Monolith I understand you more now. God bless you.

 

Please give me one that you would want me to examine.

 

Alright lets start with the first one....

Why were people killed for working on the Sabbath and if god doesnt change then why did Jesus decide it wasnt as important as it use to be?

For the record, I am not coming in here just to start arguments or anything, I just want to see logic behind some concepts and get a better understanding of the way some of you believe, and how you interpret the bible. I am Pagan and I wouldnt want someone telling me that what I believe is just rubish, because I dont think it is, just like you dont think what you believe is, but I just like to know some facts about the bible and your Christianity.

 

The whole purpose of the OT was to show that one can not become saved by the works of the Law. It wasn't until Christ came that we came into the age of Grace... And the age of grace came about after the realization that the law could not save anyone... the law was only an example to show that people could not work their way to heaven... (if you know anything of the OT it shows constant failure by the Jews). Jesus became the blood sacrifice and then salvation was then granted through God alone and not through works. Although works cannot save a person they do show God sincerity of love.

 

So what your saying is God murdered and ordered the sacrificing of animals in order to prove a point?

I mean anyone can have faith and then go and kill and kill and then ask for forgiveness and really mean it and then still be allowed into heaven(according to the bible) correct?

 

Revelation:20:12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.


That one has always confused me... it says they will be judged according to their works...

 

I thought we were talking about the Sabbath?

That's okay... God is a just God. Whatever He does is the right thing to do. So when people were killed, the people did wrong in God's eyes.

In regards to animals, the sacrificing of animals symbolized the ultimate sarifice that was to come in the future (Jesus). That is why the animals had to be flawless without a broken bone.

Yes that is true to an extent... God does have tremendous forgiveness however he knows people's hearts and who is trully sincere and generally speaking people who kill, ask for forgiveness, and kill again do not trully love the Lord and God knows that.

 

Jesus states,

"If you love me, you will obey what I commanded."

"Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me."

"If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching."

Ultimately, works will show God who sincerely loves Him.



Sorry it's short but I have to get to a basketball game... take care

 

The killing was brought up because of the order to kill people who didnt go by the sabbath and made me think a little bit.

I strongly believe that Jesus's message was that of love. I dont doubt that one bit. It's just this old testament god that gets to me and seems like such a huge contradiction.

One thing I really like about the things you say is that you are more into the Love aspect of christianity instead of the fire and brimstone(aka Erasmus). So I apologize if I sound harsh or anything I dont mean it, I am just trying to understand your reasoning and everything.

 

I dont just see how innocent Children did wrong... and people who simply decided to do something on the Sabbath...

 

The Bible is proof because it states the facts before the facts happen. The Old Testament stated 300 facts or prophecies that would have to be fulfilled when the Jewish Masiah showed up. The proof came when Jesus Christ fulfilled all 300 of them. The Bible told us before Christ would return again, the Jews would return to Israel in the latter days, they would retake Jerusalem, Jerusalems East Gate would be sealed, and all attempts to open it would end in failure. The prophecies are many, and the one thing they all have in common is they have either been fulfilled, or are being fulfilled. Seriously.

 

Monolith, are you aware some of the things Pagans have done in the past might be considered unethical and or immoral? Would it then seem fair to talk about these instances and say that's what the whole religion is about? You almost sound like you're bitter at a Christian person in your life. You're too young to carry around such disdain. You're going to drive yourself crazy. If you were Christian by the way talking about another group of people I'd say the same thing. I'm not trying to be condescending. I'm speaking from experience.