Fuck Christianity!!!

The dead that are standing before God are those who donot know God. This I believe is called the White throne Judgement. Christians are not part of this. For those who know Christ their sins are covered by His Blood. Those who have rejected Christ have no covering for their sins.

Matthew 5:48 is from the Sermon on the Mound. Jesus was telling the Jews how perfect they would have to be if they tried to get to heaven by the works of the law. At the end of Christ sermon the Jews knew that no one could be that perfect. And that was the point that Christ was trying to get them to understand. And that is why Christ said, that no man will be justified by the works of the law. And that is also why Jesus said, that no man comes to the Father, but by Me.

 

by whose standards? And more important, which ones? There isnt a "pagan" church, not like we are all the same right? The Romans were pagan when they destroyed British temples, murdered their Druids and raped their priesteses. So that refects on all pagans? even the ones who were victim?

If you didnt know, at one point, everyone was pagan. Are we to blame for the past "immoralities" of the entire world?

Besides, pagans did things that were insular to their cultures, and not part of their taboo. Christians did things that went horribly against their own teachings, texts and gospels. Hypocrite.

 

No need to appoligize you did nothing wrong : ) I encourage questions and I will try to answer them the best I can.

I found it kind of difficult understanding OT and NT and how they came together but this past summer what really helped to understand it better was going through every single messanic prophecy (there is about 300 of them) and look at the original prophecy and then look at the fulfillment in the NT. I understand so much more why God started with the law and then sent His Jesus.

Take Care.

 

Sorry refresh my memory... what specific text are you reffering to?

 

Heron, of course I am a hypocrite. Because I'm not pagan right? You are what you hate man. Oh, when pagans were killing people in the names of their gods it was "different". That's convenient isn't it? Think about it.

 

When you say pagans can you specify???

Like Heron said... there are Roman Pagans that slaughtered the British pagans. Christians that slaughtered the Native American Pagans... sure they fought back but who wouldnt???

There are thousands of diverse island pagans all with their own Gods.

Sure some pagans may have practicied human sacrifice or killed in the name of their gods... not all of them did but I recognize the fact that some did. Thats the difference right there. But when your god is flaunting it in the bible and encouraging it now thats a different story...

Wherepeople put the blood on the door so god wouldnt kill their first born. A lot of innocent kids were killed that night by what sounds like an insane god.

 

You dont listen do you? They werent "killing in the name of their god", but their gods were part of the fight, and the fight was to kill the enemy. It wasnt "worship our gods or die" it was "our gods can kick your gods ass"

There was nothing in their ways that forbid that. LIKE I SAID! Christians are all dont kill, love your neighbor, jesus loves you, UNLESS they arent christian, then you can kill em and hate em right? That seems to have been the past. That is why I said hypocrite.

Part of the warrior pagans teaching are that their gods are mighty and can kick some ass, so piting them against another god isnt wrong, or hypocritical, because that is part of their faith. To another society or religion that might seem wrong and immoral, but who are they to say? Christian impose their own judgements, then they break them, that is why it is immoral and wrong for them. Its your rules man, i didnt write em.

 

I am a believer in Christ. I do not apply the name 'christian' to myself because of what it projects. In my heart and spirit I feel the same way toward much of 'chistianity' as Jesus felt about Judaism when he pulled it down.

That being said, much of what I am reading on this thread is furthering that perception that 'Christians' are self-righteous, overproud hypocrites. Dude I so believe that to be true. I do not for a second deny that I am one and struggle with knowledge, belief and self by the second. Take this post...'hey i'm right, rah rah'.

This thread was started aggressively with an obvious hater-approach. The most important comment was (heron?) talking about 'good, decent' christians who lived solid lives that seemed to really back up Christ. That is the only post worth discussing.

If 'christians' are trying to win the world over and the world tells them they are doing it the wrong way, you'd think they'd listen? I mean hey it's not like we have a 'religion' built around the greatest revolutionary of all time. People and their 'air tight' bibles have just missed Christ's point entirely. Dear 'Christians', please do not talk 'bible' around people who do not know it. I made that mistake for a few years early on in my faith and I lost some great friends because of it.

My God is more...much more than a book. John explained that what is written about Jesus and everything that happened since him is (obviously) only a tiny fraction of everything. Knowing this, and common sense, it is unfathomable to me, and Christ I would imagine, that people think ONLY what the bible says is the way it is. That most definitely is not the Jesus I know.

So what I'd rather heare is what are the major problems all you non-believers have with christianity...so that I can examine myself and see if I am guilty...as I am confident that it will help me continue to become better.

 

No, it's not "fuck christianity." Its "fuck christians." The religion itself is fine. Its the followers who are bigoted assholes who have no idea what they are doing. .

The other day a woman came up to me at my bus stop and told me the world was ending and that if i didn't repent i'd go to hell. I told her I didn't believe in that and that I had my own beliefs. Well, she told me that if i wasn't a follower of christ, that I was following satan. She wouldn't leave me alone untill my bus came. Oh, the nerve of some people.

 

no its not 'fuck christians', its 'fuck nobody' (except sexually of course). not ALL christians are and i quote "bigoted assholes", many do actually truely believe they are saving you and do love YOU. love all, no matter what they believe. if you do not believe in Hell, do not worry about somebdy telling you, you are going there.

Fuck nobody and love all

 

This is the exact attitude i'm talking about. The "I'm right and your wrong" attitude. Just because its what you believe in, doesn't automatically make it right.

 

are you making the presumption that i am a christian?
just because you believe something to be wrong doesn't make it wrong. live your life and believe your truths, but accept they are only YOURS.
whats the difference between someone saying you are going to hell, and yu hating them back, both are full of hate

 

Of course I'm a bigot. I'm defending my faith in the CHRISTIAN chat room against people including other Christians.You are certainly allowed to defend yourself as a Christian. Not once have I "attacked" other's faiths. Not once have I gone into other rooms and stated what they followed was wrong. I used other's faiths to try and point out people do evil things in all faiths. Not once have I said "Pagans are immoral or evil." Not once. I was simply making a point that even in your own religion people have done evil things. Evil by what standards? Evil by ANY standards. Some, pagans sacrificed humans to their gods. It probably wasn't the type of Paganism you practice Monolith or you practice heron. No more than the type of Christianity I practice is sending everybody to Hell and running around other forums ridiculing worshippers. Remember who's posting on the F*** Christians thread and what room it's taking place in. All that being said..If y'all hate me that's fine. If I've been attacking you I apologize.

 

Sacrificing humans to their gods is not evil, only by your standards. Some gods demand blood, and they arent evil for that either. 'evil evil evil" is all you christians know, and are quick to demonize the practice of others. Hell, the main part of your religion is sacrifice of human. Your god sacrificed his son right? is he evil? Was Abraham evil? or doing was his god asked?

 

He wasn't sacrificed. He GAVE his life it was a decision. Abraham never followed through. Let's do this...Go to the other forums of other religions and ask them if HUMAN SACRIFICE
is evil. heron all of this debate aside...Why all the hate in your heart? You talk about Christians being judgemental. Listen to yourself. I truly hope you find peace.

 

Yeah I worded that wrong... LIke heron said it was the gods fighting along with them in most cases.

Jesus didnt want the burden he begged to let the cup pass him. He eventually gave in.



I think killing all the first born kids of egypt is murder by a god... sounds semi human sacrificial to me...

 

Monolith, are you a Christian? I was reading back posts where you said you were a Christian. Anyway, if he finally accepted that makes it a decision right?

 

im sorry that you feel like that.
i dont believe that jesus died for people to meerley be 'christian' to follow a religion and all the church traditions etc. but what i do believe is that god wants relationship with us.

and that very much is something i found deep within myslef, when i found god becasme a christian or whatever you want to call it, i never stepped foot in a church- i never wanted to they were so judgemental.
but i found god myslef, or rather god met with me where i was with no ceremony or preacher waving his hads around!


that my friend i can never compare any religion to.
but that doesnt mena i cant show respect adn love to people of other religions and belief systems.

 

- that is exactely how a relationship with God should form. God isn't about the religion, the rules, church leaders- it is about YOU and your relationship with him.

i do not like many churches, although i have enjoyed the atmosphere on some occasions.

Nobody should hate thers because of their beliefs, your relationship is personal and therefore it is between you and God, not you and others. But from this relationship with God, you will find the love to love others not hate

 

I dont hate anyone, what gave you that idea? Who have i judged other than those who went against their own words.

Nice defense of it though, but correct me if i am wrong, but was jesus not the "ultimate blood sacrifice"? I swear i have heard that come from the christian teachings. And, to the last minute, Jesus expected his father to save him.

And follow through of not, he was going to do it whole heartedly, and the bible teaches to think is to act, SO therefore he did it. Abraham was sooooo evil.

Edit: forgot to add, the human sacrifices of the Celtic pagans "gave" their lives too. They were willing to go be the messenger to the spiritworld. So, there is one more parallel to Jesus, so either your god is evil or none of them are, you pick.