Fuck Islam

very lucid posts, thank you.

 

When you say that you speak of your own awakening, my feelings are to share and you are welcome.

 

The Dahmer case reflects one of the big flaws of psychology, that its all observer based

Read most stuff written about him and it will go along the lines of things like taking body parts as trophies, cannibalism and partialism - in particular obsessing about his victims chests were classic signs of his disgust at his own sexualiity, classic defense mechanism, thus a sure symptom of BPD

Which is what most of those psychologists want to believe in part because of their own reaction to those kind of thoughts, interviews in prison and with psychologists noted he had an obvious disgust at his own sexuality - but always in environments where he was reacting to the interviewer, sometimes telling them what he thought they wanted to hear

Whereas every other case not involving a homosexual, trophy taking is seen as a sign of feeling god like, cannibalism as a way of taking someones spirit or soul and anykind of partialism the same kind of thing as those attracted to inanimate objects

That is, the bias, from most 'experts' when it comes to Dahmer is or should be obvious


By the same kind of logic, back to the subject of the thread, these jihadists, is it really about the theism, or is that just what most want to believe, is there bias in the same way. If an expert came out it the media and said, well these guys arent really jihadists just garden variety BPDs using Allah as an excuse, it isnt about the fight for freedom of speech, they are just represent one in every 100,000 true nut jobs that get their hands on an assualt rifle....how popular would that be, how long would he keep his job as an expert?

 

"If an expert came out it the media and said, well these guys arent really jihadists just garden variety BPDs using Allah as an excuse, it isnt about the fight for freedom of speech, they are just represent one in every 100,000 true nut jobs that get their hands on an assualt rifle....how popular would that be, how long would he keep his job as an expert?"

I would have never called the damn expert to begin with noting in plain everyday terms that the numbers of those raising ire were a miniscule proportion of the number of muslim adherents in the world. This thread is no longer popular with those that jumped on the bitterness bandwagon earlier. The phenomena can be cut down to size in moments with a little serious minded personal reflection. Some might find the alternative boring but I find it an invigorating practice that cuts through stupid mistakes and improves the quality and outlook of anyone with a true interest in caring for our mutually assured destruction/construction and the health of the planet.

 

Insha'Allah.

 

What happened to the good 'ol-fashioned Crusades?

 

The west supposedly progressed. Although it can be argued they are still continued in some way.

 

Starting today, Duke University was going to issue a Muslim call to prayer every Friday at 1:00 from its chapel bell tower. The decision was reversed after receiving credible threats of violence. Duke has approximately 700 Islamic students, out of 14,000.

 

It seems political gestures don't do a lot to ease tension.

 

This is off topic, but I'd say there's a strong argument that the crusades ended because ultimately the Muslims won.

 

They averted civil war, lol.

 

Well, they were not all a continuous thing as I understand. Some of the latest crusades were more seperate 'enterprises' (some didn't even reached the holy land) ..what I mean with this is actually that several crusades had their own end. And eventually they just stopped organizing them.

 

That's pretty accurate. What I meant was that although on the 1st crusade they took Jerusalem and established the Crusader Kingdom, they couldn't secure their hold on it for long.
Despite some military success, Richard I was unable to re-take Jerusalem on the 3rd crusade. Or he was a wise enough military leader to realize that once taken, it could not be held.
So the Crusader Kingdom crumbled away.

The later crusades were shambolic, and led to the sack of Constantinople, and the captivity of Louis of France.

As you say they stopped organizing crusades - but I would argue that was partly or even largely because they realized it was hopeless militarily. And other problems were afoot in Europe.

 

It is quite astonishing they even went in the first place and succesfully established a kindgom of Jerusalem there (for a relatively short time but still)

With hindsight (hey it is 500 years ago) the sacking of Constantinople by crusaders is a hilarious story as well

edit: I just surfed by the wiki page of the fourth crusade, better quit this shit now Truly fascinating! (as are these times of course)

 

Unfortunately it was all somewhat marked by massacre and bloodshed. But it was an audacious achievement in purely military terms.

 

Astonishing, literally

 

Duke has always been a bit too liberal for my taste. It seems like they always carry every good idea a step too far, including religious tolerance.

 

It's about time for a US President to bite the bullet and talk to the Saudi President, Abdullah Abdilaziz while in the company of the President of France and Prime Minister of Great Britain. Face to face tell him that Saudi has to reign in the Imams who preach jihad and make that decision known to the entire world.
Otherwise mecca, medina, and the dome of the rock, (deliberately not capitalized,) are all in danger and with that the power of Saudi Arabia and it's King.

 

One cannot blame an entire religion for the actions of a group of radical people :/ I have muslim family. They are hilarious, accepting, and wonderful people.

I myself am not even religious, and I thought this post was horribly disgusting :/ Insulting an entire religion is the same as insulting a race or sexuality. It's just wrong and awful.

However, that said the idea for your cartoon is interesting because it directly targets jihadist terrorists, which are the actual problem. NOT islamic people themselves

 

But can't you see how it has come to this? No, its not right to insult an entire group of people, but is is perfectly okay to insult bad practice and ideas. What makes me sick is the pathetic insecurity of *some* muslims
"You cannot insult Muhamed - you cannot draw Muhamed" etc
You know what? Shut up - get over yourselfs. If you want people to respect you then be worthy of respect. Stamping feet and shouting "We will kill you if you dont respect our beliefs" is one surefire way to make people hate you.
We should retain the right to insult muslims, christians, jews, hindus - anyone in fact if they are being idiots
Why should muslims have some kind of immunity? Why so precious eh? Fuck that.