the n word is so uncool it ain't even funny............you should never use that word cause it tells us alot about you
i don't particularly care about what michael vick does so i don't READ every article on the subject, but from my understanding he was having dogs fight each other, which is what dogs tend to do pretty much whenever they get they opportunity. since making my original post i've heard (from these forums, not anywhere trustworthy) that there may have been further animal abuse, but that would have been done by people, not the dogs. and to deny that dogs naturally fight each other is just not accurate
Dogs don't naturally fight each other - they might go after bones and shit but not after each other's necks. AND another thing he's possibly guilty of is killing the dogs that lost against others
ok, killing the losing dogs is obviously fucked up, i won't disagree there. still, am i the only one here who has owned dogs? or is every single dog i've ever owned and every single dog that my neighbors have ever owned just the exception? they can get along, but not usually, and once a fight starts, they are perfectly willing to kill each other if it comes to that... but maybe us ohio country folk are just huge pieces of shit who train our naturally ghandi-like animals to fuck each other up for our pleasure
Dog breeds have temperaments and instincts that are bred into them. However, they also have personalities of their own and experiences that have shaped them. I had a wonderful dog who was from a large litter of puppies and he was the sweetest dog and not the least aggressive but extremely jealous if I paid any attention to any other dogs or children. The former he would ignore as if they weren't there and the latter he would growl at. However, despite his jealous insecurity, he never fought another dog in his 13 year life. I've had 7 dogs over the years - some pure bred, some mutts. None of them ever got into fights with other dogs. Aggressive behavior in dogs is, when it occurs naturally, usually due to territorial disputes. Nowadays people tend to think that dogs, having evolved from wolves, are in essence wild. Dogs are not wolves. They have been selectively bred for specific traits for around 14,000 years. A dog is no more a wolf than a homo sapien sapiens is a homo erectus. The only way my sweet, affectionate pit bull would fight another dog to the death is if she were trained to do so or if the other dog was attacking me.
All my dogs in the past never fought for more than a few seconds. And they only drew blood once. But aside from that, they've always go along and been best of pals Same when they meet a new dog somewhere else, after a few humps, butt sniffs, and some licking they're super friendly
What i meant was read of book of any sort at all...the ignorance in your statement was so glaringly obvious, and unfortunately in this case its a serious issue, and the poor dogs deserve better The dogs are trained to fight and often kill eachother by beating, burning and torture from when theyre tiny puppies. Theyre beaten to encourage violent behavior, and are taught that other dogs and other creatures are threats, and therefore the dogs learn to fight back. During fights the humans taunt, hit, scream and shout, frightening the dogs into action. They often drag half dead dogs back to be finished off by the other dog. It hurts for the dogs. Its an awful life NATURALLY dogs may have the odd scrap just like people do, but it rarely gets violent. Most of the time they are EXTREMELY loving by nature So im sorry if i sounded harsh or anything, but claiming that is natural astounds me
Also these dogs are inbred so intensively to try and encourage the more aggressive type of dog to be born, more compact, more muscular and with a shorter fuse. This is not natural, either. Its cruel. And from inbreeding comes medical problems also
yes, dogs get along some times, but a lot of times they don't. and i have seen multiple dog fights (pretty much all territorial) where blood was drawn and human intervention was necessary to end the violence. anyway, i know that they do various things to encourage the fighting. i was by no means denying that. i was just trying to point out that there are more heinous crimes out there and since dogs do fight naturally, i used exaggeration of that fact to try and make my point
Dogs don't fight anymore or less than people do, unless people like Vic start promoting contests that end in violence and death. He's going to hopefully get prison time, and get thrown out of his sport...that's the just thing to do.
Maybe I missed something ... who is comparing Michael Vick to Hitler? That is absurd. I think it is horrible to turn animals, bred to be loyal companions and assistants into vicious killing machines and I think it is far worse to torture the losing dogs to death. However, I do not think Michael Vick is worse that Hitler or Stalin or Tacho II or Trujillo ... I suspect that anyone who was in the public eye, regardless of race, would have been charged as well and the outrage would have been the same. Killing and torturing animals who are at one's mercy is reprehensible. If one cannot treat other species decently, it doesn't say much for the way they treat other humans. In fact, didn't Vick, a few years ago, have sexual intercourse with women without letting them know that he had herpes? Putting one's own sexual gratification over the health of one's partner indicates a lack of regard for all but oneself; it is treating others like tools and instruments to be used until they are no longer needed or wanted.
I find it amazing that anyone would consider anything other than prosecuting him to the full extent of the law. He is obviously without a conscience, since last week he was professing his innocence and now that his co-conspirators have all plead guilty, he has decided admit his guilt too. It is good to see the system actually working in this situation, at least so far, in dealing with this truly despicable human being. I have a feeling his life of cruelty is over for good and thank god!
Dogs are pack animals, meaning that they develop communities and societies, some much more civilized than that of professional ball players. There is no inherent violence in the species. They only kill to live. It's only people that make up artificial competitions and pit one against the other.
describe a crime more heinous than torturing an innocent daily from childhood until adulthood when they will be ready to die by by fighting, hanging, or electrocution. vick deserves to go down. i can only hope he gets raped or beaten in prison. i know for a fact prisoners love puppy dogs.
I just heard that he killed 6 - 8 dogs and that 3 were done by Electrocution Hanging Drowning I think it's ok to kill him now
how about doing it to an innocent human? or, if livelifefun is right and he did it to 6-8 dogs, then how about those who killed thousands of people? or what about slavery? i don't think we're ever going to come to an agreement here because i value human life over that of animals, whereas the concensus here seems to be that dogs are more important. i don't know which side's right, but i don't see either of us changing our minds
Hold on here, bill Maher got me thinking tonight, there are 240 murders in Baltimore and 200 murders in Detriot, just this year! I know that dogfighting is pretty pathetic and just wrong but why are people making a big deal about this, and not the other thousands of people that have been brutaly mudered!?
