Fucking Boycott Gas!!! We Have To Make A Stand Now!

Discussion in 'Protest' started by dead head 420, Sep 1, 2005.

  1. Dalamar

    Dalamar Member

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    Thanks for the feed back. It gives me more confidence that perhaps I can do it. I think I will start to look into some of these alternatives. If enough people do it would be much better for the environment and will break the stranglehold that the energy/oil companies have on us. I am already looking into solar panels to help with my home energy needs. The only problem is, I live in an apartment so my land lord may not let me put up solar panels but it does not hurt to try.
     
  2. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    RE: yeah you have to change the main jet's, spark plug's and readjust your timing and maybe a thermostat, other than that not much else. on newer car's with a pcm many

    Car?

    Look at my sig....
     
  3. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    RE: I am already looking into solar panels to help with my home energy needs. The only problem is, I live in an apartment so my land lord may not let me put up solar panels but it does not hurt to try

    I've got some bad news for ya...

    Solar panels cost more in oil to make than the electricity you get out of em.
     
  4. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    yes that too can run on alcohol..."any" internal combustion engine can run on alcohol, even 2 stroke diesel's
     
  5. Dalamar

    Dalamar Member

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    Yes I understand that. Right now I am just researching different options.
     
  6. IronGoth

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    Well I'll be damned, there's an S&S Alcohol carb...

    Shit, put nitrous on the bike and alcohol in the tank and it'll be one huff for the engine, one for me....
     
  7. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    just fill it up with nitromethane vroooooooooooommmmmm
     
  8. raven23

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    here's an interesting article from the vast Peak Oil canon.
    http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
    This passage actually presents the only compelling arguement against the conservation movement that I've ever read. It's called Jevon's Paradox, and it goes like this:

    To quote Wikipedia 'Jevons Paradox is an observation made by William Stanley Jevons who stated that as technological improvements increase the efficiency with which a resource is used, total consumption of that resource may increase, rather than decrease'
    and heres the example from the article I posted the link to...

    Pretend you own a computer store and that your monthly energy bill, as of December 2004, is $1,000. You then learn about the coming energy famine and decide to do your part by conserving as much as possible. You install energy efficient lighting, high quality insulation, and ask your employees to wear sweaters so as to minimize the use of your store's heating system.
    After implementing these conservation measures, you manage to lower your energy bill by 50% - down to $500 per month.

    While you certainly deserve a pat-on-the-back and while your business will certainly become more profitable as a result of your conservation efforts, you have in no way helped reduce our overall energy appetite. In fact, you have actually increased it.

    At this point, you may be asking yourself, "How could I have possibly increased our total energy consumption when I just cut my own consumption by $500/month? That doesn't seem to make common sense . . .?"
    Well think about what you're going to do with that extra $500 per month you saved. If you're like most people, you're going to do one of two things:

    1. You will reinvest the $500 in your business. For instance,
    you might spend the $500 on more advertising. This will
    bring in more customers, which will result in more
    computers being sold. Since, as mentioned previously, the
    average desktop computer consumes 10X it's weight in
    fossil-fuels just during its construction, your individual
    effort at conserving energy has resulted in the
    consumption of more energy.

    2. You will simply deposit the $500 in your bank account
    where it will accumulate interest. Since you're not using
    the money to buy or sell anything, it can't possibly be
    used to facilitate an increase in energy consumption,
    right?
    Wrong. For every dollar a bank holds in deposits, it will loan out
    between six and twelve dollars. These loans are then used by the bank's customers to do everything from starting businesses to making down payments on vehicles to purchasing computers.
    Thus, your $500 deposit will allow the bank to make between $3,000 and $6,000 in loans - most of which will be used to buy, build,or transport things using fossil fuel energy.
     
  9. willow_11

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    We Americans live in a subsidized artifical Disneyland. Europeans have been paying more realistic prices for yonks.

    Lots less 1 passenger vehicles swarming about and I'm breathing a lot easier here in the city. Woohoo!!

    Best thing that's happened for my planet in a while; people forced to seek alternative energies. Can you tell I'm happy? Woop!

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Dalamar

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    In my opinion, you are right, but only ½ and only in the short term. While it is true that if we started to utilize alternative fuel sources say for driving our cars we would expend more oil manufacturing the alternate fuel source. However, in the long term the machines that make the alternative fuel sources will eventually be converted to run on alternative energy sources themselves. We have to approach this with the idea of eliminating the need for oil completely.

    Case in point. I believe the people who claim that recycling has caused more pollution than if we did not recycle at all. The reason for that is that we started to recycle but, then we stopped there. We did not take things to the next step.

    The bottom line is that we can not put all of our eggs in one basket. Simply converting our cars to bio-diesel or ethanol will not solve our problems. We need to work to develop all alternative sources of energy.

    Anyway, I continue my boycott against Exxon/Mobil(who are projecting even higher profits this quarter in this so called “gas shortage”) and Hess and in fact, I have not used any gas since Tuesday and I do not plan to use any gas over the weekend. If you must buy gas, buy as much as you want but only buy only from Sunnoco, or Gulf and please buy no gas on the weekend.
     
  11. Dalamar

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    I never said don’t buy gas. I just said don’t buy from Exxon/Mobil or Hess. That is the beauty of it. If enough people boycott ½ the industry and buy no gas on the weekend they will be forced to lower gas prices. At the rate things are going you wont be able to afford to drive to work.
     

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