Gay Marriage

well he is full of them realy (LOW BLOWS) most of what he says within this thread is prety low..if you scrape away all the postulating ...

 

So the 14th Amendment allows for gender distinctions with respect to voting rights, but not the definition of marriage? Do you have any historical evidence to support this bizarre claim?

 

Rather than attacking Brocktoon personally, why doesn't anyone deal with the statistical evidence I cited earlier:

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02

 

i do. the couple i know has lived together for over 7 years...has only had a commitment ceremony given by a family friend. they are still very much in love and what not. they hope to someday be legally concemated in the art of marriage.

 

Ah, now I see... Well, the fact that they can remain together longer than "hetero" couples really doesn't mean anything when it comes down to it. This is all about what is right and what is wrong, and people who are doing the wrong thing can certainly do it for a protracted period of time. That doesn't give it legitimacy.

 

There's something called a civil union, but the gay "community" wants marriage. I find it interesting how they're so intent on participating in an institution that they're destroying.

 

You don't get to define what is "right" and "wrong" for everyone.

 

who does?

 

me.

 

Well I'm sure we would all like to, but the honest answer is that no one person does. I guess culture and society would be the closest answer. But even then, our society has a history of being oppressive to it's minorities.

 

no. the honest answer is me.

 

There are very many. Don't be fooled by stereotypes. I was in a completely commited, faithful relationship for 4 and 1/2 years, that just ended recently. My best friend is in a faithful, commited relationship of 3 years. I worked for a man who had been with his partner faithfully for over 20 years. While sex could define the early days of the gay movement, love and commitment have taken over.

 

First of all, it is from the "Family Research Council."

Secondly, and more importantly, the data is extremely flawed. We cannot measure gay relationships against heterosexual relationships until there is something official to compare.

The statistics are attempting to compare census data with an online survey of homosexuals.

 

How many States recognize or allow Civil Union?

I think most gay people would be ok with Civil Union. In my opinion, it is a weak argument based largely in semantics, but, whatever helps everyone sleep at night (with one unrelated consenting adult they love, & protected by the same rights).

 

I never said what is right and what is wrong is based on my definition of right or wrong, rather that there is a right or wrong.

That said, right and wrong is not defined by what the majority think is right or wrong, as you would have it.

Seeing that I'm one of the minority when it comes to this issue, wouldn't that make you my oppressor, then? I mean, it is essantially you who's trying to surpress my freedom of expression and belief on this issue. What makes it doubly worse is the fact that my belief is right and based on the truth.

 

Unfortunately, you are far from the minority in this issue.

No one is trying to supress your freedom of expression or your belief on this issue. Ignorance and bigotry are largely protected in this country. Just look at the KKK.

 

is anything really right and wrong? and if so i believe i can decide for myself...it is my mind after all

 

I have only read the last couple of pages of this thread....
but I define right and wrong as how it effects others. If it is hurtful, hateful, spiteful....etc (you get my drift) it is wrong. And that doesnt go for just people, it goes for every living thing.
Are gays hurting anybody by getting married?
No. It's a personal choice that concerns no one but the parties involved and the goverment and anyone else who is does not concern should stay the fuck out of it. Equal rights for everyone. Equality in all things.
The fact of the matter is......the idea that the gay act is a sin or is wrong comes from the bible which comes from God. Well, not everyone believes in God or the bible, and even if that's true, even if there is a God out there who will judge someone based upon their sexual preferance.....is that not between God and that person? God doesnt need people policing the earth for him on matters that truely harm no one. And that is even if there IS a God. That notion should be kept as a personal matter, and not projected onto anyone else. And there's my 2cents

 

Yes this is agreed, however you can define who is in the wrong by assigning these qualities to them.
For example, if someone does not wish to support 'gay marriage' - you may decide they are 'hurtful' (because some gays are not getting stuff) and therefore 'wrong'.

Well hang on a second. This does not necessarily mean taxpayers should give benefits to Gay Marriages just because they are not being 'hurt'.
Now some would argue that it does hurt their economy, pocketbooks and adds new workloads to the government offices.

 

I appreciate your honest reply PhotoGra.

Its somewhat off-topic but interesting to the discussion.
I personally have known a lot of homosexuals but rarely did I ever see any that were what you could call a 'Monogamous' Couple.

I had noticed with the AIDS epidemic and STDS etc - many more of them were limiting their hook-ups to one 'regular' partner.

The vast majority that I knew of, were more or less 'swingers' and in many cases (possibly a slight majority) were into whats best described as 'whoever was available and suitable' type lifestyles.

I did hear the trend towards 'monogamy' was taking over - but then I was told the younger 'in-crowd' coming up was taking it back to the old 'more the merrier' days.

I will say this - If its found that these experiment first waves of 'Gay Marriages' are ending at a very high rate of early divorce - It will make the push for public acceptance more and more unlikely.

Time will Tell.