Gay Marriage

As with my previous post, I wont bother to debate or argue with you as we both have opinions on the matter that will not change, therefore post after post of debate is useless in my opinon. And I do disagree with you entirely here. However, I am really curious.........would you please elaborate as to just how homosexuality or gay marriage hurts or has an effect on your life, besides that it turns you off in a big way? I mean, really, other than not liking it and having a negative opinion about it, how does it really effect you?
And if you say that homosexuality is not natural (not found in nature) then how do you explain the people who are truley born this way? Surely that happened naturally, and while it may be the exception, not the rule, how do you tell people that they can not have the same rights as everyone else because what came natural for them happens to be taboo to society?
It just doesnt make any sense to me really.

 

I don't think it is necessary to have every homosexual desiring to get married. If this all or nothing idea were true, very little would ever change. Gay people do have agency fighting on their behalf, most famous is the Human Rights Campain.

 

Do you really believe all homosexuals have been reared, or are living in an urban setting? That is absurd.

 

Attempts to prove the "normalcy" of human homosexuality based on animal behavior are riddled with flaws:

http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html

 

as are attempts to prove its "abnormalcy." It's called the naturist fallacy.

 

New scientific proof proves:

72% of gays have eaten children's flesh
68% of gays regularly have sex with dead animals
89% of gays are serial killers
97% of gays rape young boys on a regular basis
36% of gays have attempted world destruction
81% of gays is both nazi and muslim extremist
56% of gays enjoys throwing pregnant women down stairs
99% of gays commit human sacrifices to satan
...

People... grow up and see beyond the ridiculous generalisations, see that there really isn't any difference between you and your homosexual fellow human except that s/he just happens to like members of the same sex... what difference is it to you anyway? Why are you so misanthropic that you think that gay people don't deserve the happiness of being married if they want to?

 

You are the reason why the current Kerry-ite, Moore-ite Democratic Movement is mistrusted and destined to fail.

You are like an arrogant child.
Child - because you are reduced to the most silly attempts at building a 'Straw-Man'
Arrogant - because you actually thought it would work on us.

Like we are so easily manipulated that we would see you 'Debunking' outrageous positions of the 'Anti-Gay Marriage' group and quickly 'grow up'.

Not only that.. but you are an idiot for trying to change, deflect and switch the argument to one of 'Tolerating Gays', even after the last 5 people doing that have been resoundingly corrected.

Nobody here thinks homosexuals are eating babies or being Nazis.
Everybody in here knows that Homosexuals are simply other people who have sex with the same gender.

Yes, there are a few who believe homosexuals are a 'type of human' - and they are claiming to be 'Pro Gay Marriage' anyway.

 

I dont personally know you so I will throw out a few options:

It means you are are evidence homosexual behavior is a choice, fetish, sexual infatuation.

It means (according to the 'born gay' advocates) that you have a birth defect in which some Chromosones are causing you to want to have sex with women.

It means you enjoy orgasms and without any moral or social hinderances you can have a woman cause them to happen to you - and take advantage of that when possible.

Probably the most common reason:

Seeing a generation of young men who have developed their sexuality from 'Malibu Porn', you realised early on that 16-24 year old men are sexually fascinated, titilated and even 'entranced' with thoughts of Lesbianism.
By experimenting with Lesbian sex, or just holding a 'Flag' of Bisexuality - you garner much more attention and social power over young men.
Hence raising your 'Hotness' factor.

To see this at its most common and 'base' example - You can visit any number of NightClubs where two perfectly straight young women will agree with each other to dance provacatively with each other - in order to garner the most attention from the young males.

Just expand that same principle to a broader social context.

Its also possible your bisexuality is a symptom (or a technique to compensate) for some psychological, emotional damage you picked up along the way of life?

Again, I dont personally know you - so Im just offering some of the most common explanation for 'what that means'.

 

Guilty as charged. And you can scratch the "like" if you want.

Well actually I was starting to lose all hope so I'm not surprised that it didn't.

I'm not trying to change, deflect, and / or change ( oooh, look at how many words I know! ) anything, I was giving my opinion and thereby trying to generate a response, which I got. I like to annoy people to a certain degree, and it worked. Childish? Yes, but with me that's what you can expect.

Hey, be careful with what you say, there were nazi's that were gay too you know!

Sigh... I agree that maybe I'm not the best contribution to this thread indeed. But then again, I've violated the "don't reply to the serious forums unless mommy's home" rule, so again, it's really nothing more than you could have expected from me.

Yes, I'm like this in real life too.

 

I agree.

 

If you are campaigning for the rights of homosexuals than you must have the implicit consent of every member of that group. If one homosexual does not want the right to marry than no agent can speak on behalf of "homosexuals". In that case, the agent is only speaking for "some homosexuals".

In the case of the Human Rights Campaign, yes they are an agent. However they are not an agent for all gay people. They do not represent the position of every ‘rational’ gay person. (Unless you are willing to argue that a gay person who does not wish to have the right to marry is irrational … please try that one!) Thus their requests can not be said to be for the benefit of all involved. For rights to be considered, every ‘rational’ person that is affected must have their views represented accurately.

So the best the Human Rights Campaign can do is speak on behalf, or become an agent for the individual.

You are right that this all or nothing idea yields little change. That is the point, if a right is awarded to a group it can not be to the exclusion of any member of the group. Do you have any idea how many abstract groups appeal to have some right or restriction or another changed a year? Hundreds of thousands.

This is why only cases like slavery and women’s rights are on the list of notable awarded ‘rights’ in recent memory.

It is not often that a group can be spoken for legitimately. It is generally accepted that the agent of the group can speak on behalf of the group when there is some sort of ‘real’ (I say real because not being able to share the same tax benefits as a heterosexual married couple does not constitute real …) harm that threatens ‘every’ member of the group.

What say you?

 

I think Gay Marriage is an issue for all the wrong reasons. I truly believe it is being argued mainly for economic/financial reasons. Nobody is arguing for gay marriage because they want the right to call somebody their husband or wife. I look at it like registering for the draft. If I didn't register I got no financial aid or anything. Marriage is the same way: Follow the rules that have been set, or go without. I have nothing against homosexual relationships, but nobody can stop you from getting married. So, quit being greedy and stop caring if it's "legal".

 

And I say it all again....

I really want to know what y'all think about me then...? I'd love to hear it.

 

I was pretty much done with this thread, but wondering what you mean here?
Anybody can have a spiritual marriage, or commitment ceremony.........but that does not have the same benefits that legal marriage does. That is why people care about making it legal. And that is not greedy.
But maybe Im off, cause your post kinda confused me a bit, I wasnt sure what you were trying to say exactly.

 

i do not believe that...i believe i love everybody no matter what...i love my husband the most and am committed to him. what if you are the one who is lost?

 

I dont personally know you so I will throw out a few options:

It means you are are evidence homosexual behavior is a choice, fetish, sexual infatuation.

It means (according to the 'born gay' advocates) that you have a birth defect in which some Chromosones are causing you to want to have sex with women.

It means you enjoy orgasms and without any moral or social hinderances you can have a woman cause them to happen to you - and take advantage of that when possible.

Probably the most common reason:

Seeing a generation of young men who have developed their sexuality from 'Malibu Porn', you realised early on that 16-24 year old men are sexually fascinated, titilated and even 'entranced' with thoughts of Lesbianism.
By experimenting with Lesbian sex, or just holding a 'Flag' of Bisexuality - you garner much more attention and social power over young men.
Hence raising your 'Hotness' factor.

To see this at its most common and 'base' example - You can visit any number of NightClubs where two perfectly straight young women will agree with each other to dance provacatively with each other - in order to garner the most attention from the young males.

Just expand that same principle to a broader social context.

Its also possible your bisexuality is a symptom (or a technique to compensate) for some psychological, emotional damage you picked up along the way of life?

Again, I dont personally know you - so Im just offering some of the most common explanation for 'what that means'.

 

ok...so it's just an across the board thing for you?

No, it means I can fall in love with a man or woman...which I have done, both...

Nah, I was born...OPEN to anything .

er, no, my first sexual encounter with a woman, I had to turn down because I knew she just wanted sex, and I wanted a relationship....

Of course I've seen this way too many times. But it's not for me. It annoys me. And I figured out I was bisexual way before I had even had my first real boyfriend. I figured it out way before any romantic relationship. It had nothing to do with sex, and everything to do with love (or the closest you can have in highschool anyway).

Nope, I'm fine and still bisexual.

haha...i even gave some background

Anyway...it means I'm normal....and if my fiance was a woman instead of a man, I should have just as much right to legally marry "her" as I have him.

 

So you believe that 'Heterosexuals' have something wrong with them psychologically or are born with a different physiology?

I would appreciate your answer and why you agree or disagree?