Gay Marriage

1 Would you advocate a judicial decree to uphold it? Say if a referendum granted a complete acceptance of gay marriage, so that any benefits or rights of marriage must be given to gay couples.

2 Marriage rights and discriminatory social policy sure are though.

 

If you want to have a baby, good luck. I don't think the government will stop you.

 

Would I seek to have a court strike down the referendum? Not unless there was a clear constitutional basis for doing so. I don't know of any reason why states couldn't choose to legalize same-sex partnerships. (I think gay "union" or "marriage" is a misnomer.)

Did you bother reading the commentary I cited?

 

I thought I had? what did i miss?

You did post this. I've made no secret of my opposition to gay "marriage" as a matter of public policy:

 

oh well. it doesn't matter much anymore, now that we've lost the fight. I'll see you in Iraq

 

11 states had this on the ballot, and I believe all 11 banned it, Oregon might be the exception.

 

So what if the majority--actually about half--of marriages end up in divorce; that's a failing of the individuals involved, because we live in a society that is no longer capable of differentiating between right and wrong. Actually, doesn't the fact that there is such a high rate of divorce at a time when homosexuality is increasingly tolerated suggest that yes in fact homosexuality HAS contributed to a breakdown of our society's values? I'm starting to think that this is very much the case.

 

Not permitting gay marriage is not a denial of equal rights. Just as it isn't a denial of equal rights to deny a brother and a sister the "right" to marriage.

 

well, damn... now Xenia and I can't get married.

 

What is this country comming to? (going back to?)

 

I know that it's pointless to try and explain to people like you historical truths, but here goes: most of the things that historically were committed in the name of God were in fact not actions that were condoned in the Bible. To murder, just like homosexuality, is a sin according to the Bible.

Incidently, I'm not a Christian and I have only read a few chapters of the Bible, and for the most part find the Bible to be flawed.

 

Please do try and explain... people like me are really fascinated by your reasoning.

 

Wow, Huck, another link to a site of propaganda fufilling religious agenda.

From the site: The Center's foremost purpose is to serve God by obeying his call to do justice.

 

Correlation does not suggest causation!

There is also a high rate of divorce at a time when more individuals are obtaining college degrees, at a time when we enjoy a longer life expectancy, and at a time when man can travel to the moon. By your logic, I guess we should close universities, stop promoting health, and stop all space travel, in order to protect the sanctity of marriage.

Furthermore, an increasing divorce rate is not an indication or a breakdown in our society's values, but rather a shift in such values.

 

I think someone has a crush on his sister. This has already been discussed, here -------> http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27329&page=18&pp=10

 

i understand the whole Bible thing, but people don't seem to realize that the United States is no longer a Catholic country. We need to realize that everyone's different, and to stop judging each other because of superficial differences. It's not like gay people would be taking ANYTHING away from straight people by getting married.

 

catholics have never been the majority...catholics were long disriminated against in this country...

 

All i have to say about this subject is, call it marriage, civil unions, whatever you want. But this is America. We HAVE to give everyone equal rights. A gay couple should have the equal right's as a straight couple. If you gotta give it another name in order to please the homophobes, fine, but at least give them the same rights and benefits of partnership that straight couples have.

Really, all these gay marriage bans are a form of oppression of the minority. There isn't enough gay people to outnumber the homophobes or religious right. Just like it took time for african-americans to gain equal rights, it will take time for this issue. We all know there are plenty of people who are not opposed to gay marriage, but they don't get out to the polls because the issue doesn't affect them directly. That is what is going to have to change. Right now it is easier to drive people to the polls that oppose gay marriage rather than then get the people out there who are fine with it.

 

we should accept polygamy then...

 

They are the largest Christian denomination in the world, and the Catholic Church does consider itself the only true Church, despite the fact that its structure and activities in many cases contradicts what is written in the Bible.

I think the reason that Catholics were "discriminated against" in the United States was because the country was first settled by peoples that were PERSECUTED by the Catholic Church for (rightfully in my opinion) opposing its corrupt existence and self-serving interpretation of the Bible.