Gay men are annoying

Discussion in 'Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Trans, etc.' started by MayQueen~420~, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. Invisible Soul

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    That's very true, but even so, that is a much more generalising comment. Saying "Gay men" are annoying, is like excluding straight men from that behaviour. Though it could be argued that girls saying something like "Men are annoying" is excluding gay men. I know if i said anything like that, i probably would be talking almost exclusively about straight men, so maybe you do have a point. I still think though that gay people, and gay men in particular, have all their negative aspects blamed on their sexuality. At least from narrow minded/bigoted people. This is something that doesnt really happen to straight people, or at least not to the same extent.

    As for the crap that straight girls have to put up with, i totally agree with that. Though that is probably more to do with their gender than sexuality. I'm not going to go on a feminist rant about how women have it harder in society than men, though i do believe that generally to be true. However, i think men have their own unique problems in society that women do not have to face. And indeed, i believe in general, gay men have to put up with far more than gay women have to.
     
  2. heywood floyd

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    Really touchy feely gay men with no sense of personal space are pretty annoying. Honestly, a lot of the most self-centred, spoiled, irritating weaklings I've met have been gay. They also tend to feel sorry for themselves very easily, and ultimately, would probably run away if you really needed them but it would put them in jeopardy.

    Of course, not all gay men are like this, but the people who are like this tend to be gay-- and they also tend to want other people to do things for them, and want to be treated like princesses. They connect with girls more than other guys, and get really jealous and nasty if they think someone is trying to take over their 'gay friend' role.

    Of course, at the same time, they're so awful that no one is ever interested in them, mostly because they are soulless and weak. These people usually have a lot of problems, and I do feel sorry for them... but I would never want to befriend them.
     
  3. Elijah

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    i'm have trouble believing all those gay people at hiv/aids benefit events and dinners are just there for shits and giggles. they are there because they make up a rather large amount of people who end up with AIDS. it was called the gay virus in the early 80s for a reason. half and half? it's a medical fact that heteros don't get aids near as often as homosexuals do. unless of course a hetero engages in dumb behaviors.

     
  4. Invisible Soul

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    It was called the gay virus out of ignorance, and little else. Perhaps homosexuals are more at risk of contracting AIDS, because they dont use protection as much as straights. It certainly isnt because they're gay. The situation in Africa certainly flies in the face of your claim that AIDS is a gay virus. FACT: Gay or straight, if you engage in lots of unprotected sex, with lots of different partners, you are highly likely to contract AIDS, or some other form of STD. Reckless behaviour usually has consequenses, and maybe it's just that gays are more likely to engage in that reckless behaviour. In Africa, id say the overwhelming majority of the people with AIDS are straight. Its your lifestyle that leads to AIDS and STD's, not specifically your sexuality. A promiscuous straight person is no less likely to contract AIDS than a promiscuous gay person. The stuff about AIDS being a gay virus, is pure hate propaganda, with no real factual evidence to back it up.
     
  5. Elijah

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    what's ridiculous is you trying to validate foolish behaviors. you act as if homosexuals have never murdered heteros before. ever heard of bob berdella? or jefferey dahmer? breeder is a commonly used word by gays to derogatorily describe heterosexuals.


    i have some news for you, those two guys who killed matthew shepherd. they turned around and did the same thing later on that night to a straight man, then they stole his money. same thing they did to matthew, it's blatantly obvious that the media pays lipservice to militant homosexual acitivists. it's gotten so bad that the state of massachusettes uses tax dollars to teach young and impressionable school kids about this lifestyle. if a kid's gonna grow up to be gay, that's on them. but overzealous buggerers shouldn't be forcing how they are on to the young. but i'm not really surprised by this, considering how many sex abuse scandals have occured in that state. nambla was also founded in boston too. so yes, it makes tons of sense this would happen up there.

     
  6. Invisible Soul

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    I'm not trying to validate foolish behaviours. Im simply saying that just being gay doesn't automatically mean you're going to partake in foolish behaviours. Just as being straight doesnt make you exempt from partaking in foolish behaviours. Stop being stupid, i said no such thing. Im not saying homosexuals can't be bad people. I'm just saying simply being gay on it's own doesn't make you a bad person. Someone's sexuality has NO bearing on their worth as people. It's like ignorant idiots who link homosexuality with peadophilia. Conveniantly glossing over the fact that plenty (And probably the majority) of peadophiles are in fact straight. Because a straight man molests a little girl, does that mean that all straights are peadophiles? Of course not. It's ridiculous!

    I have heard of Jeffrey Dahmer, and he was quite rightly vilified for his crimes, just in the same way as the killers of Matthew Shepard. I've never heard anything about them killing another man the same night as they killed Matthew. I can't say it isnt true, but im guessing if it was, i would have heard about it. But regardless, it is a fact that people are abused and attacked purely for being gay and nothing else. That is an inescapable fact. Why do so many gay people remain in the closet, if they had no fear of the consequences?

    Teaching kids that it's okay to be gay, and about gay issues is not teaching them to BE GAY. That's just stupid! Besides, i don't think being gay is a "lifestyle", at least not for most people. Sexual orientation is something that you cannot help. At least for most people. And i think it's great that kids are being taught about things like that. The best way to stamp out prejudice and hatred in the world is to teach kids its okay to be gay, or to be different. Though you talk about "young and impressionable kids", this is only a very recent thing. Gay people have existed throughout the centuries with nothing being taught to kids about gay issues. And indeed, most kids grew up thinking being gay was "wrong" or "bad". But it didnt stop some of those same kids growing as gay people in spite of this. I dont believe for one second you can "teach" a child to be a certain sexuality. Anyone who thinks that's possible is in dire need of a lobotomy :p
     
  7. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Dude, If you want to keep on pretending there is only homosexual and heterosexual and not have to think about whats in between, go right ahead.

    Bisexual is, always has been, and always will be a bigger chunk of the male population than homosexual. Ultimately scary cos that could be someones dad running around truck stops in the middle of the night, just not your dad right, cos your dad hates fags
     
  8. Elijah

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    i deserve a lobotamy? now look at who is being hateful! i don't trust much of anything alfred kinsey said about human sexuality. seeing as how he had flings with his own students and his conclusions led the APA to declassify pedophilia and pederasty as disorders. it's quite well acknowledged that a large portion of homosexuals were molested as a child. that's probably not always the case, but i do feel that is a very disturbing correlation. as should anyone else with a conscience or with critical thinking skills. gays tend to be more promiscuous than straights do, this is why they have such high hiv and aids rates. it's not exactly rocket science, just common sense.


     
  9. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Its a little more specific than that, Gay is the opposite of Pedo, Pedo comes from being oversexualised by adults when younger, gay comes from being oversexualised by peers when younger.

    Pretending to hate gays just cos gay is icky is just the cover, working out that last sentence "oversexualised by peers when younger" thats in the end what is making everyone angry.

    When they get there it'll go something like this:

    How does a 5 yr old dude get oversexualized by his peers? He ends up gay, so thats just got to be about being oversexualized by guys his age right? Cant be about girls right?, all 5 yr old girls are sweet and innocent, Hmm maybe some arent, Then again, what happens when they are too sweet and clingy? Nah, cant have anything to do with them, I never got any of that. They didnt oversexualise me, so they didnt do it to any guy. I'm a big strong guy, I can kick most guys butt, they are going to be interested in me right, they wouldnt be interested in a sissy/girly/sensitive guy,I'm sure if they were they'd go around telling everybody
     
  10. Invisible Soul

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    ^^^ LOL

    I'm not being hateful, I'm just stating a fact! There is not a shred of actual evidence to suggest that sexuality can in any way "be taught". And there is also no evidence suggesting that most homosexuals were molested as children either. Homosexuality is not a disorder, it was only classified as that for so long, mainly for religious reasons, and because it wasn't seen as being culturally "normal". Peadophilia probably is a sexuality like any other, but unlike homosexuality, it is not, and can never be consensual. Which usually results in trauma and pain for the child involved. So paedophilia should be stopped. Or prevented by locking them up. Homosexuals are hurting nobody by being who they are, so shouldnt be treated in the same way as peadophiles.

    Most straight men would be as promiscuous as gay men, given half a chance. It's just that most straight women will not put up with that sort of nonsense from a partner. A lot of straight men see relationships as a necessary evil in order to get sex. Gay men don't have that problem. Don't kid yourself that gay men are any more sexual than straight men. But like i said, its being promiscuous that leads to HIV and AIDS, not being gay. And that was what i was saying before. It is not a gay disease, and never was. It's a disease you will probably get by sleeping around, unprotected, with lots of different partners, regardless of sexuality. Like i say, just look to Africa for firm evidence that AIDS is not a gay disease.
     
  11. LorettaYoungSilks

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    Most of the is relatively offense and small minded. I wasn't fiddled with as a child, and neither were any other gay friends of mine. Whatever scientist that claimed this, was simply looking for a reason to add a negative connotation to being gay. This was probably done in order to condone the heterosexuals narrow-mindedness. If you look long and hard enough you can find a pattern in anything, I mean a study can say that the majority of people that like mature cheddar also own a hamster for example.

    As for promiscuousness, I'm sure it wouldn't happen if there wasn't such a threat of being gay in this day and age. I mean why do homosexual people have trouble finding a relationship? Half are probably scared to come out of the closest, and you have to really search hard for anyone who will openly tell you they are gay, in confidence at least. So really it's down to the strait ideals once more, although as Invisible Soul pointed out, it's a disease that truly belongs to everybody.
     
  12. Invisible Soul

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    Yes, narrow minded people do not want to accept that being gay is natural, and not a choice. So have to try and invent other reasonings for why gay people exist. It's like people saying kids/people who feel trapped in the wrong body are that way because of how they're brought up. When there is overwhelming evidence to discredit that reasoning. Yet no credible evidence to back those claims.

    Your last point, is probably true as well. A lot of gays are probably promiscuous because it is easier to stay under the radar and in the closet if they're living that way. Keeping a long term relationship a secret though, would be much harder to do. I really don't believe that gay people are by their nature more promiscuous than straight people. It just appears that way because of a number of different factors. I think if ALL gay people had no fear of disclosing their sexuality, and were able to live in the same way that straight people do, then i think you would find the levels of promiscuity levelling out, and it would be pretty much equal to that of straight people. But yes, it is promiscuity and unprotected sex that leads to a high likelyhood of contracting something. Not being gay. All these things that Elijah is coming out with are myths about homosexuality. You will not find one credible scientist without a sinister ulterior motive, who will back up those claims. There is no evidence that sexuality can be taught, nor is there any evidence that most homosexuals were abused as kids. Those are myths perpetuated by ignorant, narrow-minded bigots. There is not a shred of hard evidence to support any of those claims.
     
  13. Vanilla Gorilla

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    How do you know your gay friends werent? cos they'd tell you the truth if you asked them?

    How do you even know you weren't? do you remember everything about your life 0-6 yrs? If something big did happen, you'd remember right, cos no one represses memories.

    some of these scientists arent just talking about being interferred with in an against will type fashion, sometimes its the little gay dude or dudette doing the fiddling. Or nothing even to do with contact, little dude stuck in with the girls,learns most from them how to get attention from guys. There is something in that gender non conformity theory
     
  14. Vanilla Gorilla

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    The flip side to that argument is that gay people prefer to hope its all nature rather than nurture. If any part of it is nurture, then everone else is going to think its something that can be retrained. If any part is nurture, then part of our fate wasnt up to us but how everybody else treated us.

    Example: The gay lisp thing, trying to say thats all genetic is as ridiculous as saying my australian accent is all genetic, or the butch lesbian that talks in a deep voice thats all about genes.

    The gay gene doesnt have to have anything to do with sexuality. could just be about temperament. Timid little fellow is more likley to be swamped by the girls than boytrous little dude early on. Even if it has to do with sexuality, doesnt have to be about orientation, could just be about peoplethat get turned on more by touch than visual.

    Childhood influences dont have to have anything to do with sex, anyone with a bit of androgyny at that age more likely to run in opposite sex social groups. even if it has to do with sex, doesnt have to be about them, anyone that develops early is going to express/attract that kind of attention earlier than everyone else.

    You cant call someone else narrow minded if you arent going to keep an open mind to all possible influences
     
  15. Invisible Soul

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    But i do have an open mind. Im not saying its completely cut and dried, nor am i saying every person who classes themselves as "gay" has no choice in the matter. I think sexual orientation, once you hit puberty, is pretty much out of anyone's control. Physical attraction is pretty much an instinctive thing, you know instantly the moment you see someone whether or not you are physically attracted to them. Being attracted to the personality, of course takes a bit more time, but i think even that is very much an instinctive thing.

    Fantasies, and sexual thoughts happen pretty much automatically. I can't imagine anyone forcing themselves to have certain sexual thoughts, especially if it felt unnatural to them. There probably is a small minority of people, that for whatever reason, "choose" to be gay, but i wouldnt really call those people real homosexuals, as their desires are more forced, rather than natural. I think the biggest arguement against the "nurture" angle, is no parents, nor society in general bring up children to be gay. Almost all children are indoctrinated to believe they will become straight when they're grown up. This could be from peers, parents, or both. Lots of gay people grow up thinking there's something wrong with them, and try to fight their sexuality, and suppress it, because they have been brought up to believe that being gay is sick and wrong. I think this is the biggest indication that nurture has very little if anything to do with children who grow up to be gay.

    While i am not saying it is impossible that in some at least, outside influences could play a part in sexuality, there is actually no firm evidence to suggest that gay people in general are that way because of outside influence. There is certainly far more evidence suggesting sexuality is beyond a person's control than the opposite. Generally speaking, i do believe sexual orientation is outwith a person's control. Yes, what gender you choose to date/have sex with, is a choice, but attraction is another matter. You cant really choose who you're attracted to, i don't believe so anyway.
     
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    Outside influences still make it beyond a persons control.

    The way it seems to me nowadays, is that Gay in both the girls and guys can be separated in to at least two main categories, those trained off the opposite sex and those trained towards the same sex. For a rough generalization Butch lesbians tend to look a little boyish when younger and go through childhood playing more the role of a guy learning to be the girls protector, Fem lesbian gets too much physical contact with guys too early on. And same with the guys, fem gay guy trained towards the same sex, butch gay guy, too much attention from/getting smothered by the girls early on.

    The answer is undoubtedly more complex than either of us hope for, Its probably a combination of influences working together: Genetic, Prenatal, Early Childhood, Physical, Social etc.

    One thing I am certain on, is that Gay is not just one thing. Exclusive gay is at least two very different things, if not half a dozen. Same again for mostly exclusive gay, then bi, then straight
     
  17. LorettaYoungSilks

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    Please, that's just stupid. You stated it could have happened in a time I would remember nothing, so how then could that consciously effect my sexual orientation? I am gay just because.

    As for all this nature Vs. Nurture debate, I deeply feel, again like Invisible Soul, there's more to the idea of simply being born into the way in which you are. People can argue until they are blue in the teeth that external influences play a part, but I don't see any social influence on how a strait man acts. They were ''trained'' into being the way they are. Hanging around with girls, or having too much attention from your mother could effect the way you are, but I really feel that may just define how obviously gay you may become. I mean, I didn't hang around with too many girls, and resultantly I would say I am not overly feminine.
     
  18. LorettaYoungSilks

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    'weren't trained'. Beg your pardon.
     
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    What about subconsciously? ;)
     
  20. Invisible Soul

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    I believe that to be far too much of a generalisation to be a really plausible explanation. What you're basically saying, is that all "sub-categories" of gay are there, because of different exposures to the opposite sex at an early age. And trained towards the same sex? What exactly is that meant to mean? The other big problem with that as an explanation, is that straight people also fall into some of those categories. I know of a few guys for example who had far more exposure to females at an early age than males, and spent way more time with females as children. Yet turned out as straight as they come into adulthood.

    I'm sure lots of guys who were "smothered" by/got too much attention from girls at an early age turn out straight. And if gay, not always the sub-category of gay that you described. The problem with the childhood/nurture arguement, is that for it to hold any weight, everyone who turns out a certain way would have to be brought up in exactly the same, or a very similar way. If that is not so, the arguement holds no weight whatsoever. Certainly, your explanation sounds far too generalising for it to be really plausible. And certainly, there is no real evidence to back up such a generalisation.

    I'm sure it is complex, at least to an extent. The one thing that is surely beyond any dispute though, is that your sexual orientation is something that you cannot choose, and is completely out of your control. As for how it comes about, i certainly can't dismiss childhood/social factors completely out of hand, at least not for certain individuals.

    However, i do not believe them to be large part in making up someone's sexuality, and nor do i think it applies to everyone. There is too much evidence against the nurture argument to assume that it plays any significant role in most people's sexuality. Then of course, not everyone who appears straight is actually straight. As there is certainly still more than enough prejudice in the world to ensure that a few gays remain in the closet.

    While i cannot say for sure that your sexuality is inbuilt at birth, and no other factors can come into play, there is certainly more weight in that as a theory. And definitely way more plausible than the idea that its all to do with your upbringing. I think nurture, even it is a factor, is actually a very small one, as too many people turn out in similar ways, despite having vastly different upbringings.
     

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