It is also just your opinion that music should be judged on technical skill rather than - for instance - how well it can elude emotional responses or captivate a listener. This way, when you say something is good, it is as invalid (or at least subjective) as when I say so. In this regard I can label Iced Earth GOOD and Children of Bodom NOT SO GOOD - because Children of Bodom doesn't reach the emotional depth nor the timeless atmosphere Iced Earth has, and so Iced Earth scores very high in my view of judging music.
I mean that facts about the music from a technical standpoint. In other words, WHAT makes something "good" or "bad."
As far as judging music on technical skill... no, that is not my opinion, that is simply the logical way to do it. There's no arguing it. That's the only way that one can say something is "good" or "bad" and have it to be completely true. You can't say something is "good" or "bad" just because of what YOU personally think of it. Though everyone is entitled to their opinion, the only way for something like that to be a fact, is to judge from a logical standpoint, you get what I'm saying? As far as how well a certain piece of music can "elude emotional responses or captivate a listener"... that all has to do with the particular listener's personal tastes, it has absolutely nothing to do with how good the music itself really is. For example one of my all time favorite Old-school Metal songs is "War Pigs"... though it is probably one of the most least impressive songs written by Black Sabbath, when it comes down to musicianship. Someone can be completely captivated simply by hitting a stick on a rock, and making a very primitive form of percussion. Sure, it's very simple when you look at the facts, but to that person, it could be the most beautiful piece of music in existence.
You think technical skill is something you can judge objectively? JUDGING is NEVER objective, it is ALWAYS based on your own experiences (not meaning experience at making music), background, interpretations and perspective. Subjectivity is an innate part of the notion of judgement. If you let 100 musicians define what makes someone a good instrumentalist, you'll get 100 different answers. So your statement is still an opinion. No, but it is, or - let me restate that - I consider it more important.
Asmodean- I never said that good music only depends on technical aspects. I just said that when it comes to the truth, that's the only thing you can really judge on. Since music and art are all about self-expression and stuff, there are so many opinions that anyone could make about it, whether they be orchestral virtuosos, or plain everyday people. Nobody can make a valid judgement on music being good, except for whether or not it is instrumentally technical or not. Music doesn't have to be instrumentally tecnical for someone to think that it's good. Everyone is entitled to like and dislike what they want. HailtotheKingbaby- You sort of defeat your own point then. Just for the record, your attempts to try and "confuse" others are just plain pointless, and not at all effective. Are we having a discussion, or are you simply trying to prove something to yourself? I don't even know why you're arguing with me, the only thing I said was that you shouldn't say music sucks just because you don't like it, ESPECIALLY not when the piece of music you are judging is actually very good instrumentally. I REPEAT, MUSIC DOES NOT HAVE TO BE INSTRUMENTALLY TECHNICAL TO BE GOOD. If we've established that, then maybe you can try to make sense out of everything here. Like I said, everyone is entitled to like and dislike what they want, but that still doesn't justify any form of disrespect towards instrumentally good, talented music.
why the fuck do you need labels. it's just country, rap, and rock. if i like it i like it if i don't i don't. what is godsmack , who cares. what is tool...tool. thats the point of music. emotions, not brands. feeling, not labels.
power metal and mythical metal are teh best. sometimes i get into cannibal corpse and all that, but mostly just traditional metal and power metal. and to settle this ongoing children of bodom debate, they rock you fuckers, cuz that was my old screenname for a long time.
And then there's industrial, Nu-Metal... I'm pretty much happy with anything that isn't country. IMHO - Anthrax>Megadeth (heh... just MY opinion) My favs are Anthrax, Prong, Savatage, Circle Of Dust, Static-X, Warrior Soul, Tiamat, Death Angel, Slayer, Grip Inc. INC, Hades, Venom, Possessed, Hypocrisy, Machine Head, Metal Church, Fear Factory, Flaw, Sevendust, Adema, Arch Enemy, Dark angel, Dark Army, Dream Death, DRI, Exe, Geezer, Gravity Kills, Killing Joke, Kittie, Laaz Rockit, Megadeth, Metallica, Motorhead, Neurotica, Overkill, Sepultura, Saxon, SFB, Soil, Suicidal Tendencies, Uncle Slam... ok, that's enough...
Industrial, some thrash, progressive, and medieval. I love metal, but I cannot get into black metal for some reason.
hmm my fave metal bands are... unearth, in flames, between the buried and me, norma jean, the handshake murders, pantera, every time i die, coalesce, as i lay dying... so on and soforth. many people might not classify these bands as metal but i do.
They rock because you had them as your screenname? Then even Astharoth's reasoning was more plausible...
