Girls today

i agree with that. kids are still kids, whether they feel like it or not. it has a basis in braind and body development. but i do think kids are just fine with a cell phone. in working familes and hectic lives, my mom found it handy for eveyone to keep in contact. i'd moved out by then, but i saw how well that worked for them and have to say, it's pretty good.

 

Thats disgusting!!
Yes parenting is not always there. But do not generalize that statement. Their are many good parents out there. You may argue that yours did a good job and you are really within the same generation as the girls you scoff at.

 

My daughters will have cell phones about the same time they grow boobs. I want them to be able to have a direct link to me. I like to be able to get a hold of my family and them me. It is a valuable tool of the age.

 

Girls have been pleasuring themselves at that tender young age since the beginning of time. Not all but plenty were. besides not a whole lot of difference between 13 and 16 in my opinion. still both children in my eyes.

 

Couldnt agree more girls.
I'm glad you feel that way. your parenting will reflect this.

 

I agree with alot of what you said especially the age thing. One area I disagree with is that it does indeed show a lack of parental influence. I'm not just talking about a parent telling there kid you cant wear that but a parent that has been there since inception raising these girls to not need to parade around as sluts to get much needed attention. i may blame one parent households on much of this and two working parents on much of it as well. the only attention these kids receive all day long is that from their peers and we all know what our peers want from us.

 

come on seriously!!

That is very very hard to believe.
which girls might you be polling to get this statistic?

 

Then theres the 12 year old boys running around saying their in gangs.

I ran into a bunch of twelve year old "crips" the other day and one called me a slob (bad word for a blood) and then I laughed at the kid. Then these kids actually had the nerve to call me a ****** even though I'm white.

So I took the little bastards buzz light year backpack and hurled it over the fence.

 

Exactly!!
and if a child is raised by two loving parents providing tons of self worth and attention the children have less need to seek it using the tools of the day. eg... sexed up clothes and whatnot.

 

Goes back to my point about parenting. yes it happens with two parent homes but what quality of parenting are we really discussing here. I have a friend with many kids and I can assure you that several will not fare well through their tender young years. Certain values and quality of parenting has been missing. My girls are being raised with very available parents with a strong code of love and attention. they are my princesses. They are learning a great deal of what the "right" man is supposed to be and they are learning a ton of what a great mother should be. parenting is more than setting rules and enforcing them TONS more.
That is where the problem lies. selfish parenting.

 

Man I gotta say you're dead on with this one. I am on both sides of that coin. of course my girls are young enough where they dont turn heads yet but boy am i aware!!

 

bwahahahaha
yep!!!
right on man. that is a weak man indeed! and nothing my daughters will ever witness. they will know the "right" man when they see it. It is my job to set that example from inception to burial!

 

I'm sorry if you totally mistook what I said. I'm not saying tell your 10 year olds to go sleep with the first person they see. I'm not saying Let your kids talk on the phone all day. I'm saying find a balance that suits everyone.
You're looking at the arguement in black and white whereas I'm trying to show you there is a possibility of grey.

If the parents do a good job, then they get a good result, simple as. I believe my parents gave me and my brother privelages to respect (I'm not just talking about material things), and in result they got two children who are more aware, unspoilt, and generally NOT the type of children everybody seems to be going on about here.

 

you may be misunderstanding KC a bit on that one. Fathers are everybit as valuable as mothers in the raising of children.
it's my thought that they wont need to wear those things to acheive the attention of the opposite sex at too young an age and perhaps beyond. and should they elect too it is and has been my job to be sure they can handle themselves with class and confidence.

 

what is your parenting situation? two parents? loving? do tell

 

KC is that you??
My gawd this is dead nuts perfect!!
i appreciate what you said here immensely!

 

I'm not sure about everywhere else, and I know where I live most children are basically forced to grow up before there time, so forgive me if we're on different wavelengths. But if there is one thing I have learned, it's that we are all a victim of our environment. You can try and hide your child away from the environment, but in the end, your child doesn't develop the social skills it needs. We live in a horrible world today, and in my opinion, you need to teach your children about it, not deny it to them.

I never said a 15 year old should be an adult, but I think they should be viewed as young adults. They're still growing, but they aren't teenagers. A few of them (I'm not saying all) have a mature mindset.

As far as what else you said is concerned, I agree totally. But remember that there are many ways of teaching responsibility. Giving a phone can teach it. By exhibiting self control when they want to ring up a friend mindlessly, in my eyes is a certain type of responsibility.

 

i know young girls/kids are forced to grow up to soon. i think it's sad actually and it should be the exception and not the rule. there are ways to avoid this, btw like being available and paying attention. if parents are paying attention and available the kids don't NEED to grow up too soon because they can rely on the their parents and their safety net. if my daughter thinks she can change her clothes at school to look like a slut, then i'll be there walking her to every single class until she gets the point.

 

:cheers:

 

2 loving parents. we're not a perfect family, but the loves there.