God and Communism

Name some of these things that you consider "ideal."

Give an example of how one can commit a crime against an "ideal."

Could you please explain this in simple English.

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If anyone was to say they thought Hitler was their ideal they would, quite rightly, be ostracized from sane society. Yet a billion obviously criminally minded Lemmings claim that Bible God, who makes Hitler look like Shirley Temple, is their ideal, their perfection.

If we bombed the unbelievable evil German and Japanese people back to the Stone Age because their leaders were crooks, how come Christians are exempt?

 

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You too, eh? His post looks like it's been put through one of those online translators.

 

So, purity (void of their contraries), simplicity, justice, equality, and love,
Are guiding values for cooperative, peaceful, and ethical change,
Regardless of even endless failures?

 

How about you quit doing an end run around the issue and tell us what the hell you're talking about.

Like I stated back near the beginning, you sound like an Apologist with an endless line of psychobabble.

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am starting to understand you [i am working on thedope too]

if nothing else, i think we are in agreement on much so will cut you some grammar slack

libertarians basically want to take the laws of the united states backwards by 200 years

disregarding all the change and growth that has occurred since then

you don't really need to know anything else about them

 

The problem with socialism is that people are greedy. By that I mean they care more about themselves than others, and more about friends and relatives than "the common good."

That said, I dislike capitalism. The closest one can get to the socialist ideal is European Social Democracy. Unfortunately, it only seems to work in countries were the vast majority of the population is white.

I admire the New Deal in the United States. I doubt it would have been possible if Franklin Roosevelt has tried to pass civil rights laws.

 

Which countrie(s) do you mean? Here in Germany the "social democrats" are completely corrupt and support a criminal financial system/economy, the destruction of the social state and wars in other countries as much as all the others.

 

The ideal of Marxism is of a world without poverty and war wherever everyone likes his or her job, and where no one is rich enough to subvert the democratic process. This is close to what observant Jews hope will come about when the Messiah comes. This helps to explain why many secular Jews were attracted to Marxism when it was an ascendant ideology.

In addition, in Marxist Leninism there are Christian elements. For God the Father there is dialectical materialism. For Jesus there is Karl Marx. For St. Paul there is Vladimir Lenin. For the saved there are class consciousness workers. For the second coming of Christ there is the Revolution.

Years ago I took part in what was called, "The Socialist Summer School." It was given by the Socialist Workers' Party. After awhile the people giving the classes reminded me of Jehovah's Witnesses who have proselytized me.

 

By European Social Democracy I mean a mixed economy with a well financed public sector paid for by steeply progressive taxation. In European Social Democracy there are also strong labor unions and a high minimum wage.

 

Well I know in Switzerland it was (still is) quite ok, in Germany up to the 90`s it was quite ok as well, other countries I didnt experiance personally. Now Lobbyism and corruption are undermining all political groups. When Germany started going to war again against Yugoslavia it was under a (pretend to be) social democratic cancellor. In Italy during the operation Gladio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
by the secret services they bombed the population with false flag terrorism to blame the communists for example.

 

How do they do that? Do they support organized crime, theft, robbery, are they against people having traditional legal jobs? Legalized bank robbery sounds interesting.

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corruption, they just make what the bankers and the big business wants them to make, they ignore what "normal" people need and want. Thats why we have so many big demonstrations now. At the moment we dont have a social democratic gvt but there really is no more difference between the political parties, they all make lobbyist politics, Berlin is full of thousands of lobbyists which tell the politicians what to do.

 

So, you have an American form of government?

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Seems so what concerns lobbyism. For example recently one of the most influencial german politicians said in an interview that the pharma industry lobby has total control, they can do what they like and the politicians cant do anything any more- that has been going on for years already.

 

American politicians are open to the highest bidder, we have something like a 65 to 1 ratio of lobbyists to elected officials. If someone wasn't taking bribes, they would go home.

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We can continuously improve civil laws according to the unchanging value of "justice."
Peace always seems to be found in "justice," but not always in civil law,
Even though studying civil laws can help us understand "justice."

 

Justice is a concept, not a reality that can always be achieved.

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If "justice" guides civil law,
And "justice" is simple and pure,

Then,

The less "justice" there is,
Then the greater need for complexity in civil law?

If there is a greater complexity in civil law,
Then there is a greater opportunity for hypocrisy (lack of purity) in civil law?

Justice is hopeless?