"God" and pain

"God" sounds more like a schizophrenic office temp than an all-powerful, all-loving Creator Father.

 

i dunno. i always figured that god wasn't doing the nasty shit to us, we were doing it to each other and that nature's just a machine doing it's job. and god's function was to be there when we asked for help. he quit the bloody justice business when we sacrificed christ. at least that part still makes sense to me.

 

Lol. So on my way home, after I typed my message to you, this new song was on the radio. I left it on, thinking new stuff is good to add to the old that God has given me. My mind 'wandered' to thinking about when my boys gonna get back in town because my girlfriend wants weed. I was thinking about how sometimes weed freaks me a bit... lol. Then I got to the one turn, before the last turn to my road. Last night I had thought about going to this JW (Jehova's Witness) hall meeting, just to see some kid preach.
So I remember that I had thought of this, look at the clock and see it is too late. The song ends, and the radio guy says "Kinda reminds me of Jehova's witnesses", the other girl says, haha, yeah those people are nutz. The guy went into this story about how his exroomate used to invite them in to do bong hits in front of them because it would freak them out and they would leave. Hahaha... all my thoughts, rapped up in a nutshell.

Umm, something as immenent as God is not foreign. God's like gravity- there. Something to be understood.

Nope. You need to look up logical fallacies on Nikzor's or Internet Infidels... I didn't argue that what I said is true simply because because you can't prove it false. I said "You are deliberately misunderstanding what I said. If something unlikely happens a few times, it could just be a naturally occuring random coincidence. If it happens in reality so often that it could not be a coincidence, then another explanation is required to explain it other than randomly occuring natural coincidence." Of course, the simplest explanation is God.

You got the hearsay I have given you. Any testimony I give is hearsay. Evidence of God's existence comes from God, not me, I am just a witness to some of God's actions.

Yeah, if you continually throw out red herrings and claim I said stuff I did not, it's not likely that we are going to have a coherant discussion. lol... You're the Francisco of atheists.

 

I need to "look up" logical fallacies... --that's a good one.

YOU ARE USING LACK OF EVIDENCE AS EVIDENCE. This is a version of Argument from Ignorance. Period. "I can't explain it, therefore God did it."
It is an "unexplained = inexplicable", post hoc-type of argument, your introduction of a foreign concept, and your "take" on experiences that were "too" coincidental for your taste.

Since there is no evidence ( i. e.you can't disprove God) against me, it must be evidence for me. Is this not what you are saying?

If your argument isn't guilty of AAI, you are walking the thin line by calling unexplained "unexplainable" and coincidences "too coincidental". Your philosophy overall most definitely could be deduced down to AAI.

 

Prove it. Define "God" and don't say "objective reality" because that is just a term. THINGS exist. If "God" is everything, you are pantheist. If not and "God" is transcendent-- where is the evidence?

I will not just assume "God", sorry. Give me evidence of any transcendent realm. Or is it beyond my "faculties"? If so, what faculties must I use and how do I obtain them?

 

Not at all. I readily admit everything I testify is hearsay. And I told you only God can show you evidence for God's existence, which is true.

Nah, I can explain it- the explanation is "God did it". Anyways... i've told you of some of my experiences that lead me to this conclusion. I'm telling you- there is either a massive conspiracy involving a shitload of people all revolving around me coordinated by some mastermind who can read my thoughts, or it's God (well, actually, in either case it is God....). God's timing is uncanny- fuckin tight. Like, I will think something and someone at the airport starts talking about it with someone else when I sit in a seat next to them.

You know, the explanation was right there, people already talk about God, a genious creator that they have experienced, seen evidence for. I started seeing stuff that could only be explained with a humongous stretch of the imagination (massive conspiracy theories, someone who could read my mind, etc.) or Occam's razor the whole thing and accept what people who have had similar experiences have been excepting for millenia- God is directing reality. It's the simplest explanation.

I don't disagree with relativity (completely based on faith, haven't checked in on this one). I don't disagree with genetics (once again, more of a faith thing- I haven't seen DNA with my eyes). I don't disagree with a foot long line of yeyo (I have done a few- pretty kick ass to do a gram of flake in one line).

All I know is what I've experienced. I've read books that describe similar experiences. Some books describe the stuff as massive conspiracies by criminal masterminds. The fact of the matter is, I am not valuable in any way that would interest a criminal mastermind (with telepathy) that it would devote so much of it's time to surrounding me with synchronous events and a good life. Of course, an all knowing, loving God that want's to be known is another story altogether. God, I can believe, would do the things in my life that I have experienced. Any other explanation is stupid. I have deliberately been made "unvaluable" from a natural perspective so that I can see that the only logical explanation for me being cared for is God.

 

God: ultimate reality.

They don't have independant existence. Things are simply temporal manifestations of God's will.

Yeah. I don't like that term because I have reservations about limiting God to simple forces of the universe. I mean, God has strict complicated intent.

You know the experiences I've described? Well, stop being a bitch and God will probably do cool shit for you.

Read what I wrote. It's hearsay, not evidence. But if you can compare it to actual evidence that God provides you (wierd shit will start happening too you), you might get an actual feel for what I am talking about.

 

"Things" don't actually exist; everything is made up of molecules, molecules are made out of atoms.

atoms are made out of electrons-protrons-and nuetrons, energy particals.

Energy doesn't have independance existance, it's an effect generated by (?).

this isn't religion it's basic chemestry.

 

Define "ultimate reality".

 

God is everything but he is also Transcendent you cant limit him.I just limited him right now by calling him a male.

You every dream or done durgs man?

every thought about what a bee sees through its eyes(I went to this web site and it showed pictures about how bees see the world.Wild.)

Think about it to that bee THAT is Reality.Therefore God has all of these views of Reality.He has the whole picture.Therefore he is Ultimate Realtiy. But he has a personality.Dont you see.What is Reality if God is not Real.What is the whole picture? In essance the evidence is that we are here and spirtuallity exists and there are vary of illusions.

 

Actually, energy is matter, and matter is energy. Matter and/or energy are neither created nor destroyed over time; they merely change form. Thus, they are existence (is there any other kind of objective existence?), because without something (matter/energy) there is nothing (i.e. non-existence). And nothing doesn't exist, something is always there.

Thus, it is more reasonable to conclude the matter/energy always existed in some form. If you can have an unproven foreign concept such as a "God" to just exist, matter/energy could have as well. And the latter view would be more reasonable because it has been shown by Einstein 1905 (M/E cannot be created or destroyed), but no "God" has ever been shown.

 

awesome post!

 

LOL...yeah, that MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!!!

The invisible man in the sky killed himself (disguised as his own 'son') to appease himself.

Sounds more like ANCIENT MYTHOLOGY.

 

I agree, but I would change that word to "human".

But yeah, if we won the lotto, why would a non-believer credit god? Just because he got lucky he's going to convert? Magical powers might get one thinking, but still, just being given something doesn't teach us anything. Anything worth having is worth working for, goes the old saying, and I agree. Spiritual growth is included, probably the most important example there is.

Money isn't going to make you grow spiritually, and if you're just given magical powers, well, you wouldn't have earned them, and probably wouldn't use them "properly". Not if ego is still in charge.

 

So, let's go back to pain and suffering. PRAISE GAWD!!

 

well, i dunno about all of that, i disagree with the triune god thing, i think that was made up after the fact by some very politically minded "apostles" sticking words into someone's mouth. but but as to the whole "god kills people" thing, i don't think that's so. people kill people, other natural phenomena kill people.

 

incase you missed it....

 

According to the "Old Testament" this "god" killed plenty of people and COMMANDED the killing of people.

But, if this isn't the version of "god" you are speaking of, then maybe you ought to define your version, where we could understand exactly.

 

sorry, was trying to remember the christian viewpoint....

so, anyway, the ot refers to EVERY natural act as an act of god. it's just how they wrote it. but any reasonable person can see that nature does what nature does. now there's many christians who are more knowledgeable now about how nature works, unlike in the past. they still believe in god's presence, but as for god causing deaths by drought because of one thing or another was just ot propaganda. i imagine their god was kinda embarassed by the attention.

 

Sounds like sophistry, kc. C'mon...

These Holy writs claim "positives" by "God" and it's "yep, that's God".
However, when the same writs claim "God" commanded death and rape or struck someone down--"it's just nature, not God"?

That's cherry picking. That's how we get all these different brands and versions of "God"...people claiming to know "God" and their view contradicts someone else's views...etc. etc. ad nauseum

The fact is that there is no real evidence of any "god" or "gods".