God does not exist

Love means you never have to say you're sorry. What other cliches can we throw in?

 

in case of emergencies one needs a philosophy . it should address
the unknown/unknowable ...

the philosophy of what? is useful when Reason fails for dire lack of
peanuts and then there's the haplessness of stepping on your spectacles
while searching for them . mutter mutter . well , now what ?

the Philosophy of Curmugeon

or , pray .

 

Love must be given away to be known, it's only requirement.

In dejavu's statement, we need love, not god. That is the good he invokes.
Of course we say god is love, and is so doing invoke the same good he does.
In the same turn I think dejavu finds greater freedom to be his loving self because he is not weighed down by a concept of god which speaks somehow to his past, not mine. Certainly it seems he would liberate me from any expectations I have of leprechauns, but then, I don't have any. My relationship with god leaves me in a state of gratitude.

 

thedope:

No end.

I didn't ask that. I've never had to give up the ghost, but it wouldn't kill me if I did. As for letting love go, that's easy! There are no pets in the wilderness.

I call it being loving, your gratitude doesn't fully describe the extent of what you give to life.

Life.

Love is condition through and through. How do you think it is being shared if not through life?


Okiefreak:

Love builds the brave where the warpath falls away.


thedope:

No, just given.

That's just your relationship, not with god, but your relationship itself. I suspect all my 'elders' of curmudgeonliness. It keeps them fresher than the corned lepers they might be. May Father Christmas bring you a new leash!

;-D

( p.s. I take back that bit about giving up the ghost! There is still confusion amongst us as to whether life is spirit or spook. )

 

If you are deliberately trying to be incomprehensible, you have succeeded. That post makes no sense whatsover.

 

It makes sense, but it might be that you haven't made as much out of it as tikoo himself did.

Love may be our reason, our understanding, but it is our life too, and can be imperilled, ( despite what thedope says about nothing real being threatened, or that life cannot be harmed. )

Lovers make it real, and not just so the keepers of the real can come out and play. lol

And philosophers? The funniest people when they're not in books.
:-D

 

I thought you asked me to let the leprechaun go, my mistake. Do you have friends in the wilderness?

You do seem to have prejudicial bent. It is from recognized abundance that my proceeds come. I had another life. My daughter said to me, "dad you're a shellfish." At first I didn't know why she was comparing me to a mollusk. Then it dawned on me that her mother had told her that I was selfish. If I did not feel that I possessed it, I would not be inclined to give it.

What evidence do you have?

I look at it differently. Love is the magnanimous intent of life that pervades all
condition. Condition cannot be had without description but life can

As opposed to being withheld in any sense. Obviously the love you give remains with you as long as you give it. As you give it though, it grows as it goes out and walks away from you as others respond.

I used to have tempestuous and unsatisfying relationships until I came to regard all my encounters as holy.

Spirit means breath. It is the breath that leaves the body at death. Is that spooky?

 

I did. Are you trying to extract something from him? Does he get enough exercise? We can let love go and go and go you know. The wilderness is like that rainbow.

I don't know. I do know that I'm friendly.

lol You can clam that I'm prejudiced all you like, but I was only making conversation!

There's your asking me for starters.

I'm at the point of changing your mind then? You do know it takes condition to pervade condition, don't you? Life is self-evidenced. By suggesting life is not our condition, it could be thought you're suggesting it's a disease! lol

Are you saying that love is somehow at a loss in its reception?!

You could have done that just by regarding your encounters as yours.

I have never met one who keeps a god to think of death as anything other than a foregone conclusion. Sad as it is, the fact doesn't haunt me.

 

I do not detain him, he calls upon me. To whom much is given, much is expected, but I need do , nothing.

I suggested that you do not recognize your creations.

Is my claim something less than conversation? I like that you allow me to speak my mind.

That is a conditional statement.

My mind is a kingdom I alone can rule. To look at hings differently is not to disagree but to apply oneself.

No. It takes being to produce condition but being does not automatically claim condition. No speaking, no conditional parameters. The observer determines the outcome of the experiment by claiming a particular view. The tree falls and makes noise when no when is there, it is just not described. Without description, energy is energetic but not circumstantial to condition.

Death could be thought of as an evident condition but it is never self evident.
My being is both seen and unseen. My being is not apart from anything nor is any part, me.

No I am saying that people move around. Your love in this respect can walk away although it always remains with you.

That was the problem. I thought good to be proprietary to my tastes.

Has nothing to do with keeping a god but with the redundant observation of biological life cycles. Metabolism is an all consuming fire. You are unique in my experience for claiming infinite life, but at the same time claiming the necessity of biological identity. We are not wholly measurable by volume of flesh, our mind is abstract. It is not the flesh that produces life. The flesh is an adaptation of life. The earths troposphere is an outgrowth of the magnanimous intent to be.

 

the Philosophy of Curmugeon , and it's good enough . it's
got an epistemology , ontology and axiology all spinning around
the easy chair like yappy biting little dogs ... um , the
god
dogs .

of course they exist stupidly , but what doesn't ?

the galactic master say 'slow down now - god exists stupidly' .
.

 

Waiter, I'll have what he's on

 

Do you want to answer his calls? Is he a prankster?

When they're wholly mine I do. Is it business of yours?

I wasn't suggesting that, but if I find your nature more loving than grateful, does it make you any less grateful? lol

And? Life remains our condition.

This is true, but when you say life and love are without condition, I can't help but think you may change your mind. :-D

That would be the case if being had to claim condition. lol It is its own.

Energy is energetic, but not?! lol No, it is is its own condition. To paint it broadly, life and love are inseparable, and only in this sense, insuperable.

lol Yes, death is not self-evident, but then it is not life. Your being is seen. You are apart from nothing; you yourself are a part of everything.

So it doesn't really walk away, but around. I hope you don't imagine this clarification of yours will give me a new leash on life, because I refuse to use it. The idea is utterly umbilical.

And it isn't? Your tastes are yours.

To say it is not flesh that produces life is to omit what is also essential to the matter. It is not only flesh that produces life, so why throw the baby out with the water?

 

I only withhold nothing.

If you don't know you have friends, I could be mistaken for enemy, .. or lunch.

I think it depreciates your appreciation of my measure of gratitude, that is all.
Our senses are not remote and always depict, not the environment, but our relationship or attitude toward it.

What is life's condition? You have a musical chair argument going on there, round and round it goes but it doesn't stop any where or when the music stops there is no place to sit. And of course your point will be the music needn't stop. It is a song and dance routine.

You will probably change your mind about that. Perhaps if I share my mind differently you won't feel I am controlling yours.

It used to be that life was thought to be exclusively photosynthetic. Now we know chemo synthetic biospheres. Life and love are not dependent on conditioned response.

No description, no condition, no conditioned response.

see above

I'll keep talking then until I happen upon a series of tonal variations that you will find sympathetic. One more version to explain the away portion of my statement.

Rope burn.

No, my tastes are not shared and the sun shines regardless.

I don't throw the baby out with the bath, I don't confine the baby to the bathwater.

 

Synonyms to only god is good.

 

That leprechaun's got you by the blarney stones!

:-D It's alright, I count you as family.

Well, you needn't worry. It is really only my wanting to express that love is active.

What condition would you give it? Life and love are their own and eachothers condition. Forget the chairs. Sit on the ground if you like. And there are places too where one may go where the air is still and yet clear.

No, as long as you go on saying love and life are without condition, I will always think you might change your mind. I don't feel your mind over mine. Perhaps you think I feel controlled by you because I feel free to disagree? lol

No, but on eachother.

Non-existent? lol No, everything has its condition. As for description, I suppose the universe would have to tire of it to arrive at it. :-D

ditto.

There's no need to explain. Love is known when we give love, not away. Your tone is fine by me.

I didn't say they were! I said they were yours, but are you saying they're bad? Compared to whose?!

I was talking about the birth water, but forget it. I still don't see your point. The body is a freedom, not a confine. As you say, it is an adaptation.

 

Don't take this the wrong way, but when you two get going, other interest in the thread kind of dies.

 

thedope:

lol I doubt it. Everyone is a little bit irish.

Ivory:

No offence taken, officer. :-D

 

I agree.

 

Ladies and gentlemen and children of all ages, step right up, cast your pearls of interest at the target.

 

The ability to deceive without offending?

He's the fool who thinks his tool, is the revolution.

In nature the vulnerable in a familial unit are the young, the infirm, and the aged.

Love is motive but takes no action of it's own just as quiet holds every sound.

Exactly none. I would learn from it, not decide what it must be. Knowledge flows freely into an open mind.

My meditation is beyond symbols.

Can't but, and choose to, are different statements. I suggested you felt your mind controlled by the evidence of, "can't but".

I like big buts I cannot lie.

Not described does not mean non-existent.

You as I said, have a prejudicial bent. There may be members of the audience
that may confused on this issue. Oft times we hear the phrase, I give and give and give, and this is what I get in return?

I didn't say bad. I meant uninformed. Homo sapiens is both tasting man and knowing man. These are two aspects if not informed of each other, are in conflict. Guided by taste or preference we may find ourselves eating only sugar which is not a healthy diet.

The body is a freedom as it functions,( a communication device), a prison if you find yourself alone.