God does not exist

thedope:

And?

Love is an action, and takes the action that it is, whoever is loving.

To give love its condition is to give yourself to it. You are your own condition. Your meditation is not beyond life. Why do you write to me? lol You say I have a prejudicial bent, but I am straighter than you. It has been called my 'economy of expression' lol ( Not to be confused with the deluge of experience.)

Baby got back, home again? It shan't ( do you like that? Shan't? ) after all, or rather, at all, being the way you are about the body. No womb for returns of that kind.

Didn't say it did. Note I wrote: "As for description, I suppose the universe would have to tire of it to arrive at it. :-D"

There may? How disconcerting. Explain to them then. What is it you meant by give love away? I hadn't thought you really meant anything other than to give it.

The courage for ones own taste is rare.

Speak for yourself, if not to yourself. Do you not know how to address yourself? Is this why you believe in god?

 

thedope does not literally believe in a divine being most people refer to as god. She is merely the typical buddhist type individual who equates the goodness in people to the god-like ideal.

 

She is a he. It is many times non believers that believe that believers believe in such a god. I am a homo sapien type individual reporting on my observations of the human energy system, in which devotion to our own good, applied according to our model of good, is it's single and unabated motivation.

I posit that this impulse for good, the will for good, is endemic to all creatures and I call this phenomena, the will of god. I apprehend god in a practical, not a theoretical manner. What is all this investment of human capital about? Belief only supports or argues with belief coming to no satisfying or reliable conclusion.
There is a practical answer, god is that which we invoke as good cause.

Solution is equal dispersal: As you do unto the least of these, you do also unto me.

As to divine nature. Nature is most tastefully arranged.

 

It is not a particularly comforting thought as I am apt to fill all of these roles at one tie or another.

What is loves act?

No description, no condition, no conditioned response. Existence and condition are not the same word and do not represent the same thing.

What is? Perception is symbolic representation.

I write to you because you, not suspecting the transcendent, cannot hear me otherwise. Why do I care if you hear? It is attraction. Attraction is like traffic control, providing direction in a world where every journey ends in the same place.

Your expression is direct though not totally unassuming. I could and do sit and learn how to communicate by speaking with you. My communication is not direct but full of metaphor and my challenge sometimes is to fill in blanks that I may be understood.

What the heck? I'm not transfixed by beauty so I can't enjoy booty?

As an individual, you're full of it, (description/allusion). I am not quite full of it being both seen and unseen.

Haven't you heard the statement I described?

Always, let those who have ears to hear, hear.

I know. I don't confuse your economy of expression with a deluge of experience.

Some confuse giving with trading. To give is to give because you want someone to have something. Trading is when you give expecting something in return and when you feel you can't get your return, you attempt to get back what you had, "given", expecting to be made whole.

Hadn't made just that observation but I would say rare is not superior. What I think is rare is that men discover what they want.

I would rather speak my mind.

It appears to you I believe in god because I speak my mind.

 

your usage of most is misdirection . to the point , you could mention a religion
that is a philosophy if you wanted to . your motive is not unknowable to a psychic , however ,
it can remain unknown for all i care . for all i care , i will pray in secret .

anyway , since you've shared an interest please go on about it .
an important question about god is 'how do you know?' .

would unknowable = non-existent ? a christian would pray for such wisdom .

 

I wonder then how you explain serial killers.

 

I eat cereal and in this way it is done for. Do serial killers offend your model of good? This is how "holy wars" start. This is how people end up being imprisoned and tortured, because someone had the sense to be offended and took offense.

I explain serial killing in the same way I explain tornado. Storms are caused by uneven heating. The storms in the atmosphere reflect the storms in our consciousness just as the storms in our consciousness reflect the storms in the atmosphere.

 

You've noticed that , too. It makes me want to dig my eye our with a spoon.

 

If thy eye offends thee.

Is there no one you can quote or no published authority you can allude to in regards to the content of our discussion?

Our conversation springs more from self examination than published opinion.

That you want to dig your eyes out is a refreshing expression coming from you.

 

Well, it's not exactly my eye that offends me. But while we're on the suubject of offensive things, serial killers seem definitely to fall into that category.

Yes, indeed! I'm not for torturing serial killers, but I'm definitley for imprisoning them or otherwise taking them out of commission. If we don't, we condemn innocent people to death.

 

The eye is the lamp of the body, if the eye be sound, the whole body will be full of light, but if the light in you, (the truth), be darkness, then how great the darkness.

Everything is love, or the call for it.
A great misapprehension to suspect that any individual is the cause of an ubiquitous phenomena. Who doesn't die? Like calls unto like and what you resist, persists. If what you say is true, there would be no, "death of innocents". We are justified by our words and it is accusation that is responsible for the death of innocence.

Look around, no fortress or prison have protected us from untimely circumstance and if you defend yourself, you are already attacked. If previous learning had served us well, the problem would be solved. The idea that if we do not confront evil that evil will flourish is to not understand the creative power of mind. We do not bring lightness to dark to make darkness brighter, we bring darkness to the light and the light dispels darkness.

 

I'm sorry, but I have had enough of this pseudo-intellectual quasi-argument. Stand back.

The eye is an organ of sight.

The eye is an organ of sight. How can it be anything else? Let alone sound, which is waves moving through a medium?

Demi-metaphysical rubbish. Sorry, but it is.

Self-evident nonsense. Paedophilia is neither. Nor is rape, or any number of abhorrent acts.

Many individuals cause phenomena. Car crashes. Murders. And so on.

1 A meaningless question.

2 A logical non sequiter in any event.

No it doesn't. If I resist training kata, then there IS nothing to persist.

Why do you conflate the homonyms innocents and innocence?

Yes they have. Geological or geographic barriers have prevented wars for millenia.

Bullshit. Try saying that to a rape victim.

So I carry darkness around in a flashlight, then?

I apologise if this seems agressive, but you really need to figure out a few fundamentals about logic, reason and persuasion.

 

thedope:

If being a part of the family frightens you, you can always go and broker a brotherhood, be coddled in a cloister, aquiesced in an abbey, hallowed in a hole, etc etc... Nature is rich enough to incorporate every imaginable dedication to impoverishment.

Love. Do you see its condition yet? Look to your life.

Not the same word! How annoying! lol Since they always represent the same thing. :-D

I thought it was representation, ie. knowledge. How symbolic?

On some matters we do not see eye to eye and never will, until we really do. In this respect, the internet is a wasteland of attempted understandings. I am being beckoned outdoors as I write!

You mustn't have caught my meaning. Transfixion has nothing to do with it. Beauty, everything.

Only your leprechaun is unseen. I never, as some children do, imagined I could become invisible by covering my eyes.

And that's not speaking for yourself? You said the body is a prison when we are alone. I disagree.

No, it appears to you that it appears to me you believe in god because you speak your mind.

To me, it appears you believe in god because you are not entirely sure of your self in speaking it.

You conceive a division, between the mind and the body, a device.

( p.s. I think it is expected we offer an apology to Ivory62 Maelstrom and Okiefreak for killing their interest in 'the thread' ;-D)

 

Let's see, she loves me she loves me not. Hell I know she loves me, all I gotta worry about is standing up.

The minds eye is abstract. The organ of sight, eye, exists for the purpose of illuminating the way. The eye then, the lamp of the body

sound2

sound [sownd]
adj (comparative sound·er, superlative sound·est)
1. sensible: based on good sense and valid reasoning
a sound argument

2. not damaged: without any serious damage or decay
3. healthy: free from injury, disease, or illness
4. completely acceptable: worthy of approval, especially as agreeing with traditional views or conforming to conventional behavior
morally sound opinions

5. deep and peaceful: unbroken by waking and untroubled by dreams or discomfort
She had a sound night's sleep.

6. complete: including all necessary aspects and details
sound knowledge of the subject

7. thorough: painful and thorough
a sound spanking

8. finance with little financial risk: financially secure and likely to make money
9. logic valid with true premises: having a true conclusion that follows from true premises
10. law legally valid: valid in law

No, thoroughly metaphysical and if the light in you be darkness, then how great the darkness. No need to apologize to me, you only depreciate the power of your own mind in your own mind.

I too am being called away and I will return to the rest in a while.

This is more like it friends.

 

There are no abhorrent acts on an energetic level. Be it shit, piss, spit, or blood, the earth does not recoil in horror but absorbs and renews it all.

Abhorrent is an abstract perspective of mind. In your terms demi metaphysical
rubbish.

All individuals are involved in phenomena but they are not the cause of it.
It is not up to us to decide what our inheritance is, only how we regard it.

Demonstrate what you mean.

I don't know what kata is but,
No, it is when you disregard training that it does not persist. We live in a world of bodies and every body must eat. Resistance and persistence are food to each other. A chase involves the pursued and the pursuer and if one of those falls out then there is not enough calories to keep the body of chase going.

Innocents bare innocence

You will have to clue me in on which war exactly didn't happen.

I have a better idea if you think you have a point. Come and rape me and measure my response.

I don't understand the question.

Not at all. It seems uninspired to me but I am ready to learn the fundamentals of logic reason and persuasion if you care to pass them on to me.

 

Waste of time.

 

Not afraid, just not comforted. To seek bargains is the quickest way to poverty.

I see your circular presentation, keeps rolling along with a hole in the middle.

The world is not valuable for what it has to offer. We give the world all the value it has for us. Condition is dependent on description. Existence is not.

The table you see does not enter your minds eye but that is where you see it. What you see is reflected light organized into a neural net display.

Do you see me now? How about now?

Not when we are alone but when we find ourselves alone, or are lonely. The body then, is what separates us.

Do I stutter?

No. The body is concrete, the mind is abstract. No division between them, they are not of like kind.

Their interest isn't dead, they just don't handle it well.

 

Who's? Are you not up to it?

 

thedope:

I am guilty of quite recently calling the human family a whale of a protection racket. lol But the world could come to make love to itself.

Point to love, there is life, and vice versa. It does keep on. If there is a gap somewhere, it is so you may fill it.

No, as I always say when you say this, the world is valuable for what it has to offer, because we give it its value. You say you learn but you never do. lol Condition, existence, does not depend on description, but enjoys it.

What?! I'm not the bleeding terminator for fucks sake! :-D

That's a pretty good leprechaun impression! lol

LOL

Glad you added that bit :-D Ok, so if it's the body that makes you lonely, what's stopping you getting up and moving it towards the greater body of humanity? Is it your mind?

No, but how can you be sure of yourself when you think god is surer? When you think god alone is sure?

Not of...life? Perhaps conversing with you is a waste of time. lol

How is the body concrete?

 

thedope:

lol It's 'whose' you grammaticulous wonder!