God does not exist

The rest of what you wrote. Your phrase "memory is selective forgetting" is a falsehood in every sense.

Oh, I was only joking when I wrote "Seriously,...etc etc"

Unlike you, I don't know all the punchlines, but I've heard that one from you before.

 

You have read the words before, but I don't think you understood what I said.
You have a prejudicial bent and it prevents you from hearing anything anew.
I said I usually know the punchlines. Sometimes you surprise me.

In the case of remembering, just as in the case of visual perception, audio perception, tactile perception, or observing the contents of the mind, form is defined by negative space. Our minds are ceaselessly active and full most moments of many considerations. To remember one thing into mental focus, is to relegate everything else to the background. To have a future different from the past we abandon the parameters that uphold the past.

To say remembering is selective forgetting is a figure of speech that describes
the phenomena that form is defined by negative space. Form is defined by negative space is principle from graphic arts.

Remembering a new way, is not to call upon the old way.

 

Your bent is more prejudicial than mine. This is perception, not insistence. I hear your same old anew. Everything can be made to figure in speech, just not all at once. lol You don't dare upon your own way, and it's not for me to know why. Possibly because the wholly new means 'transcending' remembrance? But don't tell me!


Did you know I was also joking when I spoke about the way the body addresses you deep down? lol

It is funny how I selectively remembered you to have known all punchlines. :-D

So what's the punchline for that slime about violation via lust? Put your creative power to the test!

 

I just got back from a book discussion on Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World, which was great for clarifying the issues. I know lots of people who believe in things Carl didn't believe in: demons, angels, ghosts, auras, pyramid power, aliens from outer space, and lost civilizations. Some of these have Ph.D.s. I don't believe in any of those things, but I do believe in God. Why?

I tend to agree with Hume and Sagan that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But more than that, I was brought up to be skeptical of all of the aforementioned phenomena. I'm open minded and could be convinced if I personally encountered any of the entities mentioned. But I can also explain these phenomena in naturalistic terms, and I think naturalistic explanations have the advantage of fitting into a framework of testable knowledge. Several of the buildings in my community are reported to be haunted. I talked to a janitor who confirmed some mysterious occurrences in some of them, and a friend whose coat kept disappearing in a haunted auditorium and turning up in places he didn't recall putting it. But before accepting the "ghost" explanation, I'd require further information. Did the janitor imbibe? Was my friend with the missing coat simply being absent minded? Another friend reported a miraculous healing of a leg wound when he slept overnight in a local pyramid, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of an LSD flashback. As for my friend with the auras, this is harder to explain, because he's rational, very square, not the least bit New Age. But I wouldn't rule out migraines. I put all of these reports into the X-files for future reference.

But why do I believe in God? The number one reason is that I find my existence and the universe around me too good to be true--or to be explicable by the operation of "blind" forces. Stephen Jay Gould, the evolutionist, may be satisfied that our existence is the result of a fluke (or more accurately a series of flukes), but intuitively I find that too flukey to be plausible. The existence of intelligent life is just too cool for me to attribute it to good fortune. Of course, natural selection explains a lot, and it might be that there are principles science hasn't discovered yet that would make it comprehensible (maybe even natural selection, on a cosmic scale.) Multiple universes doesn't do it for me. Occam's razor cuts against them. Intuitively, I'd be more inclined to place my money on self-organization (a la Stuart Kaufman) and emergence. But the God hypothesis is one that serves me in other respects: meaning and morality. As a non-scientist, I don't consider scientific explanation to be my prime directive, nor do I think it makes sense just to suspend judgment until the scientific proof is in when I don't think it's reasonable to expect that in my lifetime. So where haunted universes are concerned, right now I'm betting on the Ghost.

 

You sound like an ex wife. Perception not insistence? Does that mean perception is not knowledge? Your perception cannot be shared or is not shared? You want to shut me up for what reason?

Why do you say I don't dare go my own way. Is it because I don't defend your cause or orient my perspective at the same azimuth as you. I make a conscious choice of home and it is not a discrete location.

I didn't pay attention. You haven't been to my deep down address and I didn't recognize what you said.

Not really, sarcasm is sometimes failure of genuine appreciation and you find yourself laughing at your own joke.

The punchline is you create for yourself revulsion. Why are you repulsed, because your god has been offended. The alter of god, of good, is the heart of man. Where your treasure lies there is your heart also. You regard that saying offensive to innocence but you mistake the form or meaning of the words taken by themselves, for the meaning of the saying.

The meaning of the saying is the minds power is immediately emanational unto the fabric of creation. The instruction is to culture your thoughts to emanate the world you want to see. Your behavior naturally emerges from you premises. Thought, word, and deed.

It is meaningful to say that if you cultivate your sex drive with the mind, massaging your sensory apparatus with imagination, you can do so to the extent that it overwhelms any good sense. The natural out come of that state could be to commit rape, but these specifics, (sex drive/rape) are totally beside the point. The principle applies in any instant or clime.

The esoteric meaning of the saying is not a knock on sexuality. Those terms are used because they fit the hard hearted perceptions of the culture that was being spoken to. It is unfortunate that the choice of words continues to cater to hard hearted perceptions.

 

1) Say: O disbelievers! 2) I do not worship what you worship, 3) and you do not worship what I worship. 4) I will never worship what you worship, 5) and you will never worship what I worship. 6) You have your religion and I have mine...

 

Some deny they have one at all.

 

thedope:

Perception is not insistence. It is knowledge. How many ex-wives do you have?

Your prejudice is god. If it's good for you, no worries. Still not sure why you want it to be mine. :-D

What do you think my cause is? I don't expect you to orient your perspective with my own. I do expect you to have one though. What are you hiding by 'god'?

You sure? What is it?

Sometimes meaning this time in my case? Are you me? When you find yourself funny, do you have to remember to laugh? lol

I thought the last time you'd written alter and not altar on purpose, now I'm not sure. lol Offensive to innocence?! LOL Just not to my taste. Is my taste to yours? Wasn't it 'all good'? Let me sack the saying a while, or don't, and I will anyway. It might be to your satisfaction to run its meaning by me word for word since I haven't found it to be good, and you don't seem to think it good that I haven't. :-D But before you go for it word for word, let's see you tackle it whole:

Wondrous. Ok, now I want it word for word. Mind well where it reads already violated, or I will assume you have no real lust for life in the way ( or is that not in the way? ) of making yourself understood. lol

So the specifics are beside the point. Got you. Not it. lol So the principle 'already violated', applies in any instance or clime? Really, all the phrase amounts to is to indicate lust as violation. An attempt at an equation. But this is where you have to get esoteric with it.

Oh, so very unfortunate. No call to wax sarcastic. Blame the time. Blame the words. Blame hardness of heart, blame perception. And the culture? But you have now proved yourself a collector of dust. Is that an insult? Dust it off. All good. Remember?

 

Thought you weren't religious. Just joking? Seriously?! lol

 

I anticipated this punchline.
I said I wasn't religious but studious. I am not without a model of good, level of devotion. I interpret the word religion in orison319's statement as ones model of good.

The just joking, seriously, is not a punch line to a joke. I mean I am always serious unless I tell you I am not, but remain in good humor regardless.

Now I have said to transcend the argument we come to an agreement of terms.
I don't think agreeing to disagree does transcend the argument but calls a truce until such a time that it be revisited, and it will.


You say good is good. Good is what it is. I say only god is good, meaning only everything considered together is good. Less than whole is a point of contention. So I have agreed to only good is good and that is why I posted it earlier and I will not have changed my position nor you, although you suspected I did.
Unless at some future point you claim that something other than good is good.
Claims like love is good, or the body is good. Specialness is the concept of separation's greatest defense against the truth. The sun shines on all alike!

I no longer search for good. It is evident everywhere to me. There is only one question I ask of any instance in the world and that is what is it for? From there I can distinguish whether a thing works or is serviceable or not.

What is our language for? To determine or share conditions. If you call upon both good and evil, you share in and propagate the condition of both and you care more or less for the world and your neighbor as a result. If you behold goodness by degree, you care more or less for the world as a result.

Storms are caused by uneven heating.

 

Do you have the same view of things as I? If I say it looks this way and you disagree, you insist on sharing your own perception. You claim not.
I have been married three times. The first two ended in divorce, the last in death/change?

My prejudice is I have only good. Is there something you want instead?

I suspect you would say love is your cause but I would say you are still searching for your good.

I am sure I didn't pay attention as I did not commit it to memory. It seems I regarded the statement as uninformed. What is my deep down address?, this holy instant.

I am unimpressed with myself, although funny, I rarely laugh out loud. When I do people around me think what I am laughing at must be especially funny. That is not the case. Laughter is a static discharge coming from yes and no trying to occupy the same space. Since I claim to be consistently in good humor, such conflicting perceptions of the moment do not present themselves often.

 

i appreciate any definition of authoritative proof (of god's existence).

well , friends , yes i do have a notion of how a spiritual proof
can be realized in a forum discussion when all we have are words .
i've witnessed such a thing .

authoritative would describe social intelligence .

it is not realized through agreement , nor is it imposed , and when it
is realized the feeling shared is respectful silence maybe just cuz the
thrust of its emergence can be shockingly the Big-Bang and after that
oh! nothing bad comes from it . ya , and it is magical .

 

I have one that you do not appreciate because it does not appear in a form that you recognize. It is not hidden but you are blind, by choice mind you, to it's existence.

Are you being sarcastic?

Let me reassure you I am a high school dropout and a horrible speller and I must often refer to reference material to determine spelling. Many times I find myself spelling the same word differently on different occasions. I'm really not sure what my criterion is when I misspell a word, perhaps it is a variance in my accent as I try to apprehend phonetically, in my inner dialogue or course.

Life is redundant. The least irritation is the same as the greatest catastrophe,
the least concern the same as the greatest devotion. There are no idle thoughts. Not your taste means it doesn't taste good to you. It is a violation of your taste or perception of goodness. You would not choose it for yourself,
because there is no choice we make that is not in compliance with our own model of good.

The perception of the violation of good is the end of innocence, and we would have everyone pay the same price if we cannot find it.

It is there but you are still seeking your good, in one measure or another, and believe I don't follow my own way. How do I know you are still seeking your good, because you find distaste instead. How can you, count it whole?

You don't comprehend this phrase, confusing form with content, thinking it confusion, simply, without direction. Confusion is back and forth between perspectives. We see form and we interpret content.

Know thyself doo dad.

Did you ask her/his permission before you groped them in your mind, and hadn't you objectified a human being to your prurient interests? Please don't misunderstand me to think I am calling your attractions unwholesome but they can't be entirely good because you are still looking for it. Sometimes, you find disgust instead.

Exactly.

There is the cultural apprehension of the words which turn into a path of subjugation, religion. The words in question were preserved by tradition. Tradition trades away understanding for compliance. Tradition works to an extent because we are cliquish in temperament. But it does not work for everyone.

But,

No one puts new wine in old skins or both the skin and the wine are ruined when the already stretched to capacity skin, bursts from the addition of additional gases of fermentation.

To say there is both good and evil is to make both terms meaningless in the world at large. Don't rely on what you have heard for it is tradition that establishes or passes down those arbitrary perceptions. A fathers sins, (misapprehensions) are visited upon his children for generation upon generation through education, not biological inheritance. Earn every word you call your own.

Do you think it fortunate for those who conceive themselves trapped in a nightmare? As I have said before, you see only the past, but I speak to you in the present.

Do you see me now?

My volition is to upset the status quo so that new paradigms may emerge. To remove the barriers we have erected to the perception of love.

The status quo is cliquish, territorial, and cave dwelling. Accustomed to living in darkness, afraid to venture out because the light hurts the eyes.

 

It'll come to you on the bus. Speaking of flashbacks, I'm really enjoying this discussion between Dejavu and the Dope, with occasional interjections by Tikoo. I missed the sixties. Was this what it was like?

 

i was thinking nobody says "oh my badness"..

 

Baby it hurts so good.

 

lol So, just orisons meaning for religion, but you have a different one, not being religious?! How studious does one have to be in order to remain open to ideas?!

You don't understand, I am not talking like you are, about agreeing to disagree, let alone coming to a "common definition"! I'm talking about transcending the argument! LOL How, you ask? Watch me. God only exists for those who believe in god.

LOL Claims that something is good are not claims that something alone is good, which is what you are doing. Good is good, What you hide by 'god' is your own business. Not mine. :-D

And if it doesn't, or isn't? What then? No good? Someone elses to deal with?

I am beyond good and evil. I came to this, myself, by not coming to a conclusion, in love. If you can show me how you can behold goodness altogether without holding it by degree, you will have shown the world. When will you be 'of' it thedope?

If you have only good, how does god alone have it? I want nothing for you but your good. Your god is your own affair.

Why, because it isn't yours, ie, god? Dustacean.

No, the moment is free, but I can believe you do address it with deep love. I think it's funny that you say I have no vision of eternity, only a theoretical assent. LOL

Wait, don't tell me, it's god alone who impresses you. :-D Imagine if that was all that laughter was, a discharge! That its satisfaction is untold, tells of more.

I love people being themselves.
Did you know there is no god because it's been proven to exist? :-D

No, not my choice. Not your keeper brother. As I've already said, every meaning you give to god is its own already.

Just paying attention. These remedial lessons you're giving me are gnarly.

Jesus Crutch, I'm a droput too, but I never had to learn that altars are good for nothing.

You have nothing to compare lifes supposed 'redundancy' to. Shit doesn't violate my taste. I don't eat it. Your phrase doesn't make sense.

Thanks doc, I don't comprehend it, no, though I comprehend the kindly spin you wish to give it. Why I asked you to spell it out for me, word for word, so I can taste for myself, since you think I can't or won't.

My attractions are not good because I am looking for my good? lol That I can be disgusted means I can't find my good? LOL I ask you to bring the meaning of the phrase to my understanding bit by bit, because the wholesome whole you make out that it is, don't fit.

You couldn't hack the 'already' of it. lol You can't make clear to me how lust is a violation, or one that leaves the lustee already violated! There are no idle thoughts, just as you say. Please don't misunderstand me to think I am not telling you where you can stick your 'esoteric' explanation. :-D

Don't you mean miseducation? *Dejavu sighs tragicomically, but mostly comically :-D* Why do we like to say the best things? Always that everyone may like to, never that another may not. Good alone doesn't work. We cannot commonly define what is uncommon outside ourselves. Only beyond good is there no evil. Only in ourselves.

But you said it's all good. When shall I presently catch up sensei? You say you uphold the status quo because you are grateful, and you upset it, so that...you may become more grateful? It's downright humbling. I need more knees for this sort of thing. I've never perceived a status quo. How do you imagine it is that I think we don't have to die?

 

I said I interpreted Orison319's word religion, the be ones model of good. Could be he doesn't mean that at all.

Do you know such people? If you know god exists for them then you know god must exist, Whether only or not. Good only exists for those who believe in good then, or bad only exists for those who believe in bad. Is belief then the criteria for existence? You didn't transcend the argument, you retreat to your argumentative position. knowledge is being shared.

Again to transcend means to god beyond the perception of, you did not take my perceptions into your statement with you. And you certainly didn't transcend your own perception on the issue.


Watch you? I really don't need instruction in mental masturbation, virtually all I am up to, Solipsismo. How about we earn our words together, if you have something to say, I am listening.

I knew you didn't understand me. Form is defined by negative space and you cultivate a split mind when you apportion good.

Where is good? Present it for me.

This hypothetical does not transpire in my life. I experienced an inner sift in the quality of my perceptions. I don't look for good as it is everywhere apparent. I used to believe that good was far from me and I would only fleetingly glimpse it.

A transcendent being, hummmm. Not beyond taste and distaste it seems.

Thank you for the opportunity,
Only god is good.
God emerging in all things, diversely.

I and my father are one but, I do not create my father, I create like my father. It is not necessary that I be greater than my father, only that I be like him. The sun shines on all alike! I am created to create the good. Good is what I want. Why would I call upon bad?

This is your affair with god. That which you invoke as your own goodness/good cause.

No, because you have objections.

You have a vision but you see only the past, although you are catching up.
You see yes and no in the same place I am standing. Yes laughter is a discharge and when you are done laughing at me, perhaps you can hear me.

Praise has been heaped on me my whole life, but my talents are inherent, a turn key business fully decked out upon inception. From this perception we get, he who believes on me believes not in me but he who sent me, disavowing hero worship.

Further I see that no one is without the same virtue. I am grateful for the, too good to be true, that okiefreak refers to.

Pride and humility are poles of the same vanity.

We are energetic exchange. Greatest has appeal only for the lesser.
Solution is equal dispersal.