God does not exist

thedope:

Never said or implied it was. Hearing it is always anew, regardless of its having been heard.

Since you mean god by it, no. What is good for me is good for me without being god.
I don't feel the need to give god meaning.

Which frequency then for the height you have in mind?

Because you have not found your highest? It's why I asked if you'd like to. Knowledge is never complete, even in itself, owing to infinity. You always forget motion.

LOL So what then is the "esoteric" meaning you're not sharing with us then?

Whose? Gods? Why aren't we gods then? You don't understand the reality of immediacy, we don't realize eternity by holding the thought, but in welcoming the feeling. We are never so burdensome to others as in our own minds.

You mean explain it. It required no defence. Does yours? Did yours?

LOL And that particular thing is not known or perceived?

But stillness? What is it? Have you ever perceived a perception that is clear of itself? Do you believe in immaculate perception?! lol

You may go to the ancients with your love, but it is requited with naught but your learning. If we are at home in the heights, we're never polluted by little lights.

lol You are only perceiving perception itself? If your perception is not knowledge, how would you know? :-D

Like planetary bodies about a middle-aged star?

Am I a good sounding board for your own power of suggestion?
It sounds strange to me when you say "the one mind" rather than the mind. :-D

No? Whose?

Sexual poles outside the sexes themselves?! LOL What?! Is this super sex not so super it may not extend itself to unbind its poorer sibling? Or is that the richer one? Did you get your dictionary out for supra? :-D

Nothing wrong with wanking, for me though getting off on getting another off means more give to the getting all round. But it's true. Joy is not restricted. We're all pleasure-givers in one way or another.

 

Each moment is new. There is seeing and there is having vision. There is hearing and having comprehension. If you hear the same old, it may be new to your ears, but not necessarily your understanding.

You don't need to give the word god meaning as it already has meaning that we share. The root meaning of the word god is that which we invoke as good. Upon that definition are built all other conceptions about god, including conceptions about whether god exists or not. And, we all have a model of good. It matters not one bit if you believe in god as you conceive the definition of that term. Whether or not I believe there is a god, as I have said is not a question I concern myself with. I recognize the phenomena of the quest for good to be ubiquitous in the life of man.

Without doubt, without internal conflict, without competing interest. Fidelity.

You need three coordinates to affix yourself in time and space. High and low are only two. The least concern the same as the greatest devotion and the least irritation the same as the greatest catastrophe as far as where you are at in any moment. I have found my will. Intent is before the chicken or the egg.

Not at all. In an environment of constant motion we stay our course by being immovable.

Of what? I am withholding nothing.

Welcoming the feeling is agreeing to conditions. I don't set any and I feel great. My meditation is beyond symbols, what thought do I hold?

It required your attack, are you oft disgusted by what you love?

I require no conditions to be upheld.

What you focus on is perceived but there are many things in your memory that are not called upon and are not perceived in any given moment.

Observation without arbitration by association.

My first daughter spent her first week of life under a light. Most are bonded by tradition before we ever get a glimpse of home.

 

I don't share your meaning that god alone is good.

Your root meaning for it you mean. I remember when you thought etymology was entomology! ;-D Knee-high to an ass, groper.

No, all other conceptions of god are based on what they are.

But I don't conceive the definition of that term having done so, its definition remaining in conception. It exists for you, it does not exist for me. It exists for you because you want it to.

Well why would it be? lol You believe there is a god.

What does that have to do with the existence of god? Dumb question Dejavu. thedope thinks and feels god alone is good. Get thee behind me Satan! lol!

Did I once say I love your words? It was really a way of saying I like you. These of yours leave me indifferent. Where is intent before a chicken or an egg?

LOL We?! Not I. Your course denies its destination. The inflexible inevitably yield to a hardness of heart. Where I am headed, hardness is a pleasure. :-D

You brought up the esoteric, so what is it?

Your not setting condition is still a condition you give yourself to. If you mean to share your thought you can hold it whole. I know you can.

What was attacked? Your phrase? :-D It was defeated before I addressed it!
But have I demolished it as promised? Well, have I? lol Was it yours after all?

Life is your condition.
It doesn't just continue, it loves to.
Love doesn't have to be an upholding
but it's never quite itself as a stakeholding.

LOL Oh? What about the moment taken to perceive them? :-D

What kind of a double blind is that?! lol

Our glimpsing can reach the frequency of fidelity where home-coming is beheld in no uncertainty.

 

You don't share my practice and my meaning you haven't seen. The statement is metaphor meaning that I choose not to evaluate the world on a sliding scale of goodness. I use my powers of discernment to tell one thing from another and to determine function and from there if it is functional toward that purpose.

The root meaning is common to the english word and is published as definition.
Is your native tongue aboriginal? You wouldn't be denying your roots?

All conceptions are invoked as models of good.
This is another example of confusion, form with content.

What doesn't exist for you? That which exists for me, I was given.

When did I say that? I know there are human phenomena associated with the word god and it's many conceptions. Of those many conceptions one is common to all. God is invoked as a model of good.

ever

Your inflexible inevitability is a silly imagining. I go where I will not where I might be taken.

Greek; esōterō, “further inside.” It is deeper meaning, often considered hidden because it does not appear through cultural apprehension but from personal discovery

An existential condition, not a conditioned existence.

A moment taking aim.

Try it. You will find it very difficult at first. You will even think that it is not possible. Simply observe the world without comment, without passion.

Potential is nice.

 

Sorry, which purpose? The purpose of 'goodness'?!

By common do you mean similar?

What?

No, not all conceptions.

Form is its own content in conception.

God.

No, all conception is common to itself. You confuse content as apart from form.

I asked where, not when.

Not silly. The inflexible do become hard of heart. They can't stay that way. lol You say you stay the course in motions constant by being immovable. :-D

So what is it?

lol All condition is conditioned. To condition or not to condition. A question if you like.

And so knowledge is always perceived.

Observe to observe...? What? Not my thing.

For what?

 

A screwdriver is for driving screws. A hammer for driving nails. A journalist delivers news and postman delivers mail.

Does similar mean in common?

Isn't English your language and if it is a root meaning of an English word, and you deny the meaning, do you deny your own roots?

All conceptions of god.

The contents of the bag, are not the bag.

Why did you use that word?

No, in instances where appearance and actuality differ, it is a confusion of form with content. The six year old thought the appetizing picture on the can represented an appetizing content, but when he tasted the contents they were not as advertised.

A lions form does not bespeak the content of it's experience. You confuse apples and oranges.

Intent is ever before a chicken or an egg.

No the wounded become hard of heart.

By not being moved.

A pronoun

No description, no condition, no conditioned response.

Anything less than being shared is not knowledge.

You see only the past and dream about a future although you enjoy yourself in the meantime.

Consideration.

 

And God is for redundancy? :-D

Yes, and it's why I asked. Sharing is together, not alone.

If it were that meaning alone I suppose I would, since life is our language overall. But it isn't. lol

No. All conceptions of god are all conceptions of god. Not one.

They are if there's nothing in it.

Because it exists as does its concept. But not for me. You have yet to grasp your choice in the matter? lol

:-D A lesson for a six yearold? Form is not the advertisement of content, even though it may include it! lol

Actually it does. I can tell you're not a lion.

I don't confuse oranges with apples as I don't find their form anything more or less than their content.

I ask a third time. Not when, where?

'No' the wounded? lol The wounded can, but the inflexible do.

So then by moving yourself? But that is not to be immovable. You are confused.

LOL Yes, but anything deeper? Anything further beyond that?

Where? When?

One does not perceive apart from the act.

In your dreams.

And actualization?

 

All conceptions of god are models of good.

 

God is for relevancy.

If you knew why did you ask now?

A bag and nothing are not the same.

You exist separately from existence how? You are familiar with many concepts of god and you invent of your own here.

And if I stalk my prey with a taste for blood?

The spherical shape of the orange was full of spherical taste.

Ever before, deal. Before being in front of.

Hardness of heart is a symbol for an emotional condition, not the physical condition of a heart.

I am immovably unmoved by your suggestion of confusion.

Oh yes, the constituents representing it are full of potential.

In my experience then.

Leaves considering potential behind.

 

No, models of god. You fail to comprehend that good isn't necessarily god. lol

lol What is relevancy for then?

Because you don't grasp that good is not god alone.

No-one's saying they are. But you are suggesting a bag is not its own content.
You conceive form as apart from content. What does inherency mean to you?

No, my not having a conception of god is not a conception of god though it is a conception. The word and concept 'god' does not require my conception of it, let alone my existence. Do you think you have no choice but to conceive god?! lol

Then you are a predator.

Are you full of it? Are you confused there is no end to form? Where does form cease being form and conversely become content?

Before being in front of or before? And still, where? Chicken or egg?

That's my sentiment too. Arterial roads, like the freeway itself, are free.

Good to see you moving. :-D

lol How nice for them.

Sure. It's almost as though you're as agile as I am sometimes. :-D

For real.

 

Every god is a model of good for someone. I haven't failed in comprehension.

rel·e·vant [rélləvənt]
adj
1. connected: having some sensible or logical connection with something else such as a matter being discussed or investigated
2. having social significance: having some bearing on or importance for real-world issues, present-day events, or the current state of society.

Show me good then. I think you may be purposely obtuse on this issue. Only god is good is metaphor for the fact that I do measure goodness.

No that is what you are suggesting I am saying.

I do not, I say people, including you in this instance confuse the shape or outward form of something fore the content or meaning of it. Say you have a jet plane, a 747. it is painted all white. The interior space of that jet can be configured to carry passengers and cargo or just cargo, in which case seats are removed. You can't tell by looking at the outside of the plane, it's interior configuration. You may decide that the white plane is configured to carry passengers because you saw a white plane before that was configured for passengers, but you could be mistaken on the basis of the appearance of a white plane , to assume it was configured for passengers.

Of course you needn't have a conception of god to discuss the existence of god ad infinitum. I think this is your weakest apprehension yet.

And there you go! Confusion, form with content.
I am an omnivore, a man.

No, you confuse form with content.

It doesn't. Form is not content.

Before, being in front of.

If the heart is free as the arterial then hardness is not the result of inflexible heart.
The heart is not a road bed. Hardness comes as a scab on a wound. The heart is a machine that keeps a beat. Perhaps you confuse determination/concentration, with inflexibility?

Moving along now.

Exactly

What have you done for me lately?

 

Would God then be a God of Gaps?

 

Even if it was, not every model of good is a god. You haven't failed in comprehension, but in comprehending this you have failed so far. Or is it that you haven't tried to comprehend it?

And yet god is irrelevant to me. Is it...a miracle? :-D

That you do? I thought you thought only god did that? Or rather is that.
It's alright, I know it's a typo. lol But why doesn't your metaphor stick? Do you mean for me to show myself? I'm doing the best I can in an internet! It's not like I'm ignoring you.

You are saying form is not content.

Never the twain shall meet? But they are not apart. You are mistaken.

LOL I could be mistaken! That I could be mistaken about a form, that I may not perceive a form in its entirety, means it is somehow not its content? That I am confused?! I may have once been a six-yearold, but you are being a baby! :-D

Your first sentence does not make sense. Your second is beside the point. I conceive god as nothing beyond conception. Hence I am not truly in possession of it; while the conception exists, it does not exist for me. I take it up and lay it down as it exists for others. You for instance. You equate god with good, yet good doesn't need the conception of god. You ask me where you have ever said you believe in a god. lol

lol If the adjective fits...:-D

Did I say it is the result of that alone? The inflexible do become hard of heart. I do not mind if you want to say injury is the cause. I wouldn't know. But I have not always known the wounded to become hard of heart.

Concentration is not inflexibility.

Ask yourself that. You know I show up.

 

I do. Do you comprehend that everyone is devoted to their model of good?

So you are in self denial as our conversation could be counted as socially significant. Is it a miracle, perhaps an anomaly.

You also doing the best you can in a world where models of good vary, that is why your interpretation of my metaphor does not fit. What is not good about existence? To not partition goodness allows goodness to appear in every moment. We believe to see, we postulate a theorem, and see to believe, look for evidence of the hypothesis. Only god is good and, god inhabits all alike.

Yes

I didn't say that. Obviously skin envelopes muscle and bone but flesh is in silhouette of muscle and bone.

The whole defines the parts but the part does not define the whole.

Apprehending disease by appearances, leads to conceiving of supernatural forces.

Sewercasm

This sentence doesn't make sense. If you conceive god as, then god is not beyond your conception.

This is your addition, not mine. Perhaps it would help you to understand if I said only god is good, is an allegorical metaphor. It is a kind of shorthand for an inner state of being.

Predator is a noun. I am not predator but an omnivore. That is the point, you misidentified an essential part of my creaturehood based on a single aspect or appearance in form.

What you call inflexible is another mans trampoline.

Exactly

Whether I perceive it or not.

 

In that the models can be shared, yes.

lol Could be?! It is us that are having it isn't it?!

All this means is that god is a word you use for everything. That's boring to me. I like to communicate. Thing is a funny word, even if you think it isn't. I hope you're ok with it. lol Thing is a thing because thing is. Thing.

You did, if you are saying form is not content. :-D There is no outside of the universe. To some, it is imagined this makes us all inmates. Form is contained by what it is, content. How else could endlessness be what it is otherwise?! All the negative space you can conceive of won't define it differently. lol

Keep telling yourself that? lol The part, the parts, do. The whole is infinite.

Not necessarily. Do you apprehend a thing by its non-appearance?

No, it really didn't make sense. --"You needn't have a conception of god to discuss the existence of god"

I conceive god as conception, not beyond it. If I did it would be mine, and exist for me. You conceive god as good.

Bad poetry then? :-D Where's your 'accompanying' outer state of being? Surfing the great unknown? lol

Grandmother. Eggs. Every noun can be adjectified when applied to the thing it describes. If you'd like to intimate an end to description, it is your own business. lol

I like that. I don't believe in inflexible men. Where they believe in themselves I laugh, hard. lol

Yeah, but do you want to?

 

Doesn't matter the model, the devotion is shared.

So it is relevant by definition.

And, not all, it means that good is a word that I use for everything. Certainly you think it is boring not to evaluate on a sliding scale. Fantasies are not dull, they just don't sustain. Reality at large is anything but boring.

I said what I said.

But an apple has a skin, a cell has a wall.

I don't need to the stones cry out.

Depends on whether a warrant is issued.

The opposite is true.

That is your conception of my god, but it is not accurate. I conceive god as conception as well, that magnanimous intent to be. I venture you find good in that as well.

Genuinely funny you should say that. People imagine my appearance as we speak.

No description, no condition, no conditioned response.

But before the grace of you go I

I enjoy your company, I also enjoy my own. I've found if you cling it escapes you.

 

The devotion isn't shared if the conception is different. All you're really saying is that we conceive ourselves, which is what I am saying. Not everyone conceives god.

To the discussion, yes. :-D

lol Just as boring. Where is your greatness?

Yeah, you said form isn't content. :-D

A case against the universe? lol

lol Once more?

That would be its appearance, no?

lol What, that it did make sense, or that you do need a conception of god to discuss god? :-D

How can conception alone be good? You are magnanimous.

I wonder what I look like in here! lol :-D

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And vice versa, as I am not one to lie.

lol

 

Devotion is always shared as we are all devoted to our own model of good.
Devotion to our own good, is our prime motive. The model of good doesn't matter it is our devotion to it that we share.

Somewhere within your vanity. I am in awe of what is given.

An observation of apples and cells.

If a warrant is issued for non-appearance then certainly that is the result of non-appearances appearance.

you do need a conception of god to discuss god? :-D

The magnanimous intent to be.

It is suspected you have a penis.

You imagine jumping of a cliff and falling into a grease blot.
I report that if you jump off the cliff, you discover you can fly.

 

I agree with the first two sentences, but the third is a lurch of faith. lol

Don't mention it. lol

Where form is content isn't something you have to observe, if that helps. :-D

LOL No, the apprehension of a thing is only 'warranted' by its appearance.

So it was a typo. I should have realized! :-D

lol I didn't mean in my pants, I meant the overalls of these threads.

Are you reporting from a helicopter?

 

I have never met anyone who does not have a model of good.

Oh, something imagined?

Arrest warrants are issued for failure to appear.

Three green balls to go with your penis.
And there is this, post 4;
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=461268

No a metaphor addressing your idea that what I am talking about is boring.