God (or gods) do not exist

did i win? i'm still waiting for my god to be disproven
i want a cookie for a prize

 

soaringeagle, I've not even looked at yours yet - the phones picked up the pace and i had to look after them, so I could not properly look at your ideas, but I will do and get back to you..

 

ok..i want a chocolate chip hash cookie when u accept my god

 

Doesnt a 'God' have to be personal?

 

Once a year, usually around March or April, an annually recurring set of phenomena occurs throughout most of the Northern Hemisphere. Due to the angle of the Earth's axis and its point of progression along its annual orbit around the sun, an earthbound observer may notice that the sun traces a "path" across the sky that is a little more northerly with each passing day. There is more sunlight and warmer weather. Migratory animals and birds travel north with the changing climate. Dormant plants take advantage of the conditions and begin budding in order to start another growth cycle. And many animals' mating cycles are timed so that they give birth during this time of relative abundance.

Now, of course, there is no reason to put all of this together, there is no reason to assume there may be a connection between all of these phenomena, there is no reason to assume there is may be bigger picture. One who simply refused to believe that something was happening would certainly be well within his rights to do so.

The question is how (and, of course, why) do you prove to this person the existence of "Springtime?"

He may argue (and correctly, from one rather limited point of view) that "Springtime" itself has no physical reality and therefore does not exist. But you know it does, you have experienced it. How would you prove that "Springtime" exists? Or, rather, given the irrefutable existence of obvious, explainable phenomena, how (and, of course, why) would you change the mind of someone who refuses to believe in the existence of "Springtime?"

If you can accomplish that difficult task, and if you haven't exhausted your cognative and linguistic talents, your patience and your inspiration, then maybe you can irrefutably "prove" the existence of time, space, quality, existence, consciousness, intelligence, and God.

Just a thought,

Peace and Love

 

Just a comment: you are more than your brain. At the VERY least you are your body. Your brain does not generate you; you generate your brain, without a stomach, heart, and everything else, it's nothing. I mean, it's just a 3 pound pile of bioplasma. Worship it? Nah, but it is pretty interesting.

 

oh c'mon gimme a challenge,
the earths axis is at ajn angle so as it revolves arounfd the sun the sun is closer at certain times of the year..dont you learn that in elementary school?
incidently springtime only exists in the temperate zones

 

What you can't get from any other faiths, is evidence that those faiths come from God. That is why the Bible in the Old Testament placed no less than three hundred prophecies that would reveal who God is. Every one of those prophecies were fulfilled by Jesus Christ. And the Bible did not stop there. We have the future prophecies. The return of the Jews to Israel, the retaking of Jerusalem. The sealed East Gate Prophecy, ect. The Bible is the only Book that writes history before it happens. All other religions have nothing like this, and that is because only the true God knows the future in detail, And only His prophecies are 100% accurate. All other religions have nothing but ritual, and ceremony. The Blood sacrifice was given to the Jews as a covering for sin. From that time on, the Jews understood what the Bible taught. That without the sheeding of Blood, their is no remission of sin. So when Christ came to earth, He gave himself as an offering, for the sins of the world. Jesus Christ became the Blood sacrifice.

 

well i dont believe my consciousness is housed anywhere else in my body

are you suggesting that part of me is house in my heart?

 

i just feel violated

 

Yes. What is your brain worth without blood flow? What is your brain without a liver to detoxify that bloodflow? What is a brain worth without an immune system to keep it's life support systems alive and well?

Bill, your body is not a bunch of seperate parts, you are not a machine, you were not assembled. You are a cohesive whole, your body is one. We think in terms of organs (parts) because scientific inquiry is always on the outside looking in. In disection, you see lots of parts...but they're dead. You, alive, feel your body as one. Yeah it has different parts but they're all totally integrated with the rest.

Consciousness may very well be housed in the body as a whole. You came from one cell, and any cell in your body has the capability to become another human being. How can this be true if consciousness is not housed everywhere? Even quantum physics seems to be in support of this. The brain may be no more than a memory vault or a sort of switchboard for thought (consciousness is more than mere thinking, you know).

 

campbell34, prove it! The problem with the story of jesus is that, for a start, it wasn't written by him.. there are no personal account of jesus, and jesus himself hasn't left behind any evidence of his existance...

Second of all, it's very easy to say that someone forfilled his profacy AFTER the proficy has been made, there is nothing stopping the writers of the new testiment looking at the old, like a check list and saying "oh yes, we'll say that jesus did this, and that, and the other".

Another very important point you're missing is the fact that jesus story very much matches that of Mythra (i think that's the dudes name)... born of a virgin, etc... only Mythra did it (I believe) 1000 years earlier... can you explain how this is possable?

Oh, and lots of books have predicted the future, just one example is that of Nostradamus - he's made lots of predictions of the future, a lot of which (depending on who you talk to) have come true - how do you explain that?

I'm sorry dude, but there are just too many holes in your theory. Maybe you should do some research into the history of christanity, then you might see that, much like a lot of other cults, it's borrowed a hell of a lot from other faiths, stories, myths, etc..

 

May I just say, Consciousness is nothing more than chemical reactions in your body in responce to stimuli... nothing more (not very romantic, but a lot closer to the truth).

 

Hahaha.. before I checked this thread I was thinking about idiots who think life is nothing more than a chemical reaction.

It's funny when they claim their emotional response is just a chemical reaction.. sorta miss the point of words, don't they?

 

I am only on page four of this thread, so these two posts (next one too) are only informed to page four: (1) Thank You Dan for starting this thread, just like kids bounce the ball off of the wall thousands of times and discover a better game I think this is good of learning. (2) BTM excellent question on page 4. The question gets right to apparent contradictions in Campbell's wording, eg; "judge for yourself" [re: accurate prophecies]; excellent question ! (3) Eagle I believe that many of the intuitions and questions that you have are important and later I will post some links that you may find interesting. (4) The next post (by me) will indirectly address some of the "emotional coloring" that I sense exists in these threads, HippyGirl has done a good job of addressing concepts that relate to this.







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Dr. Laura Schlesinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice
to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as
an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according
to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The
following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident,
which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as
informative.........

Dear Dr. Laura

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room
here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to
death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is
eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
Jack







source: http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/t-2945_an_open_letter_to_dr._laura_concerning_homosexuality_(i_did_not_write_it).html

 

Believe what you want.... but if you go down to fundamental levels, you'll find that this is the truth!!

If it's not, then what else is it? If that is not the truth, then why are we able to take drugs (chemicals) that totally change our attitude, mood and personality... fair enough, they'll return to normal after (hopefully, if they don't fry their brain in the process), but this is because the chemicals in your body try to get back to balance.

Tell me, you must believe in a soul? where, then, is this soul of yours? How much does it weigh?

 

Are you really nothing more than a bag of chemicals? Do you really believe brain chemistry, and nothing else, is a complete explanation for consciousness? Then what, if anything, is the difference between the experience of hearing your favorite song and the sound of a dentist's drill?

Well then, open wide . . .

Peace and Love

 

Yes... yes I do... if not that, then what?

 

And what are those chemicals made of? Physicists can't say, in fact, they never will be able to say (ask Heisenburg). The idea of reductionism has been thrown out the window, though the rest of science hasn't caught up yet. The most accepted interpretation of quantum physics has unavoidable implications that make it look like philosophy or mysticism (the other interpretations are pretty out there too).

Anyways, no one really knows what consciousness is (that is to say, scientists don't know), so what you said is just your opinion. You're of course allowed your opinion, but you say it like it's a fact, which is misleading. Consciousness exists in the now; knowledge (and thus, science), exists in the past. What is known is in the memory~ it's old. This is why science can't touch it, or talk about it (words/language are in the memory too); it is operating in a different mode.

You asked Kharakov if he believed in a soul, what it was, etc. Well, I say, you're setting up a strawman. No one said anything about a soul, we were talking about consciousness.