God says atheists are "fools"!

I've met more than a few very well educated and intelligent fools.
Education does not equal wisdom.

 

I think Meagain's point was to show that there are plenty of moral Atheists.
If you remember earlier in the thread clintons dad said in the bible "Fool" meant an amoral person, and that Atheists were "fools"

I think the point stands.

 

I'm atheist, and I have some sort of moral code. The only difference is I follow it myself, without having some higher power tell me I'll go to a magical place when I die for doing it.

Is God wrong yet?

 

Most prisoners in the USA once released will end up in prison again..... We have a revolving door prison system in the USA. While in more atheist countries they have a much higher rate of success rehabilitating criminals so they don't cause more crime and end up back in jail. How does one explain this fact and still regard Christians as morally superior?

All I am saying is religion doesn't make you a moral person...... And being an atheist doesn't make you an immoral person. Most Christian I know use their religion to justify their wrong doing because their ancient book tells them it is ok.... But of course they only read the parts they want to follow...... Pick and choose morality.

Name ten scientists that made great contributions to science in the last 100 years that were bible thumping Christians. Ill wait.

 

^^^Ironic post mang..:coffee:

 

As a statement about what the Bible says, you're correct. What's your point? Atheists deny the accuracy or truthfulness of the Bible. So they think that whatever the Bible says about anything may be wrong.

 

What is an "atheist country"? And do you regard the United States as a "Christian country"?

The term "bible thumping" is the stumbling block. I can name ten serious believing Christians who have made great contributions to science in the last 100 years: Georges Lemaitre (Big Bang Theory), Freeman Dyson (quantum electrodynamics), Francis Collins (human genome), John Polkinghorne (quantum physics), Kenneth Miller (evolutionary biology),Sir Arthur Eddington (astrophysics), Max Planck (quantum mechanics), Arthur Peacock ( biochemistry), Gerhard Ertl (chemistry), Frank Tipler (mathematical physics), Sir James Jeans (mathematical physics). That's eleven. I could go on and on. I don't know whether or not any of these distinguished scientists thumped their bibles, but they all professed to be devout Christians.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

big bang theory's a pretty big one, i'd have thought. Furthermore, many scientists believe(d) in a god in the spinozan sense, including, arguably, Einstein, although that would place them outside of more traditional doctrines.

 

What is an "atheist country"? If I had to come up with a short list of officially atheist governments, China, North Korea, and Cuba would be on it. None of them impress me as being enlightened in their penal policies. Despite what the fundies say, the United States is not a Christian nation. The Establishment Clause to the U.S. Constitution makes that clear. So your examples are non sequitors. But I agree with the conclusion that Christians aren't morally superior.

 

"God says"--lost me right there.

 

There is no moral act that a believer can accomplish that a non-believer cannot accomplish. There is no immoral act that a non-believer can accomplish that a believer cannot accomplish.

Furthermore you make the mistake of thinking that accepting or denying the existence of a god is an emotional matter. It is not, it is a metaphysical matter. It is identical to the question of whether or not we should accept germ theory, or the heliocentric theory of the solar system. I accept germ theory and heliocentrism because the evidence is convincing. I do not accept the god hypothesis because the evidence I've come across is not convincing.

Also, I became a much more moral person after becoming an atheist than I was before.

 

i don't know about anyone else, but god has never said anything to me. given me a lot of nice silent hugs, but all the words have come from humans.

 

that must be one of the truest things about some theists.
someone said earlier in this thread that
"atheists dosen't acknowledge the existence of god because then he'll judge them" or something like that.
i really don't understand that statement because it stands on the base that all atheists are just evil bastards who have "turned from the flock" and simply started pretending that god dosen't exist.

my atheism works like this: im open to the existence of a diety but there IS a statistical unprobability that one exists. to top it all of there has been HUNDREDS of religions recorded in history, that makes it even less probable that the diety YOU worship is the "true" one.
what i just said also makes "occums razor" a stupid motivation for faith.

 

sounds more like agnosticism than atheism, to me. :love:

 

whatever god or gods say, it is only humans that i have ever heard saying it.

i've been hugged by invisible things though.
as far as i'm concerned, that's better then anything humans pretend to know about it.

 

first of all, christianity's bible is no authority on anything other then itself.
(though like the documents of all religions, its full of cool one liners, some of which may contain gems of wisdom)

secondly, for what its worth, it also says "never say though fool".

 

1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.


Gotta love the king's english

 

I like this discussion. Everybody is ultimately social. And being social means that everybody must communicate with the content of meaning shared in the discussion. Even if we state unequivocally: first we need a definition for G-d, the stating of such a point of coming to terms makes God real to other people having their religiously committed outlooks. The true deity is for consideration in Syria as the more distant and I guess under understood Kazakhstan. The true deity is perhaps more fun not to worship.

The definition again is the capacity to be at being social. Thus I disagree. What you refer as improbability of God, I believe is the improbability for the sociability Existing to suit that G-d.

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Go ahead. Tell me I'm not sociable.:daisy:

 

nowhere do any of these indicate the line between "godly" and "ungodly" as corresponding to their identification with any organized or shared religious belief.

to me the "ungodly" simply mean those who would choose to cause suffering and harm.