God's Time

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  1. thedope

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    Let us say we make choices.

    Who is keeping score?
     
  2. Anaximenes

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    I see there is a video from the Byrds. All times maybe go into a big crunch, and after the big bang they come as harmony united with the contingent chaos, the Synchronicity. Before the big crunch there is Di-chronicity for only One necessary Consciousness.
     
  3. Asmodean

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    The expression 'god's time' does not hold any specific meaning to me. I don't use it either.
     
  4. thedope

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    Referring to the video all things are lawful so it is helpful to ask the question what is a thing for, a time and purpose for everything. We are always right on time it is procrastination that is not possible, there are no idle thoughts.
     
  5. Anaximenes

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    And then there's "Fool's Paradise", Rodger Hodgson; history born on the wings of Time.
     
  6. guerillabedlam

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    Are you suggesting that inter-cellular communications and quantum information could be regarded as a higher dimension? If so, that makes me beg the question why and where does such a speedy and effective process 'deteroriate?' (A question more geared towards the quantum level rather than cellular) I assume the former question of why is impossible to answer, as it seems to necessitate a reason, which doesn't seem too applicable at the quantum level from what I understand.
     
  7. thedope

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    What is the trouble absent troubling having and being the same?
     
  8. thedope

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    Not regarded as higher dimensions but as different proportional ratios and in that sense dimensional. Time is movement and I ponder how much or how far does a thing have to move to be timely. The thing you said about there being more people which could account for quicker spread of information reflects what I am referring to. One man alone physically accomplishes less in the same time as many men together accomplish the same task. At the same time if you concentrate all your energies on a single task it is accomplished quicker than if your attention is divided. Another example is a piece of paper lying in the sun as it's energy is dispersed over a wide area but if you put a lens to concentrate the energy between the sun and the piece of paper you can cause the paper to burn. The question of deterioration doesn't come up in this line of contemplation nor does a question of higher or lower as the question is quicker or slower.
     
  9. guerillabedlam

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    In levels of processing correct? Is slower processing not a deterioration of higher processing?

    Why revert to a paper map when you have GPS?
     
  10. thedope

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    To avoid level confusion think spatial/spacial relations.*

    *Not necessarily a pun on GPS

    Processing levels are always adequate given the parameters of your concerns.

    Anyway GPS had a history of development which might reflect on how quick we might consider it might be. History of development is expressed in incremental changes in the moment. Speed increases as the size the increment increases. Our memory is a big bite so to speak that gives us a running start.
     
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    So about "gods time," there is nothing quicker or more timely than being, a journey without distance. More complex forms are those with many less complex members. A practical way to apprehend this is in thinking about a complex problem we simplify the parameters of our search to find more digestible pieces.

    why worry about tomorrows estate there is enough trouble in the this day
     
  13. guerillabedlam

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    So I'd figure the expansion of the universe leads to speed decrease, however if subatomic particles were entangled at the beginning, that shouldn't matter because those connections can transverse such distances (near) instantaneously to my understanding. Seems something else must have interacted or interfered with those connections to allow for matter to come about. This is all speculative though because I don't know the theorized state of the quantum level around the Big Bang nor do I know if quantum particles contain the type of directed information I'm thinking about.

    Motion: Some things undoubtedly move, though cannot cause their own motion. Since, as Thomas believed, there can be no infinite chain of causes of motion, there must be a First Mover not moved by anything else, and this is what everyone understands by God.

    So you agree with Aquinas then?
     
  14. Anaximenes

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    So what are you saying? God is a complex substance, and monistic at the same time; that's the way materially he is thought. OR conclusively He exists for all time: to stiff the unity of the substantial world into one substance. Along side of Matter there is thinking we get Perfectly guessed about on sunny days; then it is for withdrawal into peaceful or also indifferent feelings.
     
  15. guerillabedlam

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    I don't know if you are asking me or that question is rhetorical but that part about the First mover was copied from wiki.
     
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    On the expanding universe leading to speed decrease, the universe is speeding up due to inflation. I don't follow a chain of causes infinitely or temporarily but I think gravity and intent are essentially synonymous expressions. They differ in degree of complexity. As higgs field affects some particles and not others so our intent, mental focus, is the nucleus around which precipitate the phenomena of our lives. I think the idea of linear causation reflects a confusion between the appearance of wave and particle. In any particular or particulate expression at the moment we choose to measure it, the wave of probability collapses and we go from quantum to formal arrangements.
     
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    I should amend the statement I don't follow a chain of causes as I can trace myself to conception so the thought comes first.
     
  18. Anaximenes

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    Causality as per cause of the cause ... of the cause is somewhat from Spinoza, self-cause. Nothing causes one to think nor stop thinking on the other hand.
     
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    quite possibly our true selves do. though of course every material/physical thing is subject to entropy. but the true self, it is not at all a physical thing.
     
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    I think there is no separate self. Existence is shared with all things and in this there is whole permanence. The ego in the small and transient sense sees the personal body as the self, separate and alone in a vast uncaring universe yet all notions of self are products of the naturally abstract mind.
     

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