God's Time

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by ginalee14, Oct 7, 2014.

  1. Dejavu~

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    It is a working definition, and the most descriptive one for the term life, for its coming to create itself. Being a life-form yourself, you can of course give it your 'original' spin, as opposed to your outright dismissal. :-D So, you didn't say a mind, but you did? lol The mind may appreciate lifes arising from matter, but it arose with it. Not before.

    Now that you don't tell me otherwise, tell me how mind might arise without biology! Love is only the love of things. There's no love of nothing.



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    Until then then! :-D

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  2. guerillabedlam

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    I'm not sure how you interpreted that as what I said. I clearly stated the higgs field slows particles.

    I don't have an answer to the second question.
     
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    My question could be better put. If the higgs field slows particles then would the space the higgs field occupies have to be previously positioned for particle to pass through it?
     
  4. guerillabedlam

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    Such that it exists beyond our universe as well? Hmmm... Interesting if it's a multiversal field, although that raises a bunch of issues that makes my head hurt at the moment...

    I could imagine the higgs field expanding with the universe as well and gravity and perhaps dark energy causing it to spread in a perceptibly uniform sense. I'm really not that well studied in this area though, this is mostly speculation.
     
  5. thedope

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    A working definition would be life is made of living professor ringtone. To clarify any issue I distinguish between what is the same and what is different and not the same. Love cannot be both love and not love. You feel a sense of devotion to some things but not others therefor love is not the love of things. Love believes and hopes within all things, in all the triumphs and travails of being human creature.

    Mind is the quantum communication from which matter arises. If you have something the matter with that then you have something to matter.
     
  6. thedope

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    Yeah i don't know how to postulate in the mathematical format so what i say can be construed as speculation although i am tempted to sell it as observation of the subtle. The idea that the universe expands in a perceptible uniform sense would have to be imagination as we perceive matter existing in clumps. As I mentioned before the H field affects some particles and not others as for example photons have no mass. It also, of the particles it affects, affects different particles at different rates and this lends the sensation of slowing down but also moving directedly creating vortices like dropping pebbles in a stream.
     
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    Such that it is ever so slightly ahead. Just as our reactions to stimulus are not the direct result of the stimulus but the result of many blazing fast quantum associations made by the nervous system that proceed to action or reflex. The thought, quantum communication comes first.
     
  8. Dejavu~

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    Hey, look, your definition works too, corporal conch! You must be very distinguished to say mine doesn't! lol How's love not the love of things simply because we don't love all things? You're off your head! :-D Or are you just too precious concerning the fact that beings are things? You said mind might arise without biology, I asked how, and you tell me one of the ways in which matter arises. One more time then. How might mind arise without biology?

    Um, corporal? You're not trying to direct the resulting directness are you? Those many blazing processions aren't preceding jack shit. You forgot to file them under "our reactions." :-D Your preoccupation with an order of occurrence ill befits your rank. lol
     
  9. thedope

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    Hey look life is a noun, living is the verb. It is as simple as that One more time then, mind is quantum communication, biology is one possible result. Isn't biology made of matter? You so want to be a special case. It suits me just fine to be microcosm of the macrocosm, to be-long. Reaction/action arises from premise. I didn't forget anything. As your body develops genes are activated or suppressed based on a particular timing, coded information which is use to assemble that thing which you claim to have created yourself. Matters if see let's order.
     
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    You still can't answer?

    I asked how mind can arise without biology.

    Try for activated and see if you can answer me! I'm not so special that I can do it for you! :-D
     
  11. thedope

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    I answered. Quantum communication. Biology is a result not the cause of quantum communication.
     
  12. guerillabedlam

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    If you put your hand on a hot stove, there is nocicpetion alerts at the cellular level which takes time to send signals to the brain to make you think to move your hand. No quantum associations necessary.
     
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    Nociception is the encoding and processing of harmful stimuli in the nervous system, By thought I do not mean brain waves.
     
  14. guerillabedlam

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    The brain is an organ that serves as the center of the nervous system in all vertebrate and most invertebrate animals.


    Your points are becoming unintelligible to me, possibly due to semantics and/or different paradigms.
     
  15. Anaximenes

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    What about warm blood arising from cold blood? Was that responsibility on God's part?
     
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    just to throw something in here ...

    http://www.prometheus-music.com/audio/wordgod.mp3

    i'm not saying this is my perspective exactly, but it is an interesting thought.

    fanaticism is such a little tiny corner, while reality is bigger and grander then we can imagine.
     
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    Sometimes a definition of terms is needed. Quantum are little packets of energy or pieces of information. When stimulus and receptor come together quantum are exchanged. I think the brain serves certain functions within the central nervous system but I don't see the brain the center of the system but a connection or exchange point in a feedback loop. If you cut the spinal chord your brain isn't processing information from below that point
     
  19. guerillabedlam

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    The individual could still experience phantom limb syndrome, I'm not sure it's all the same to the brain in terms of processing but obviously the brain wouldn't actually be receiving information from below that point.
     
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    To Dejavu: you say everything is physical or particles, but if that was the case there would be no space to allow for movement. That volumetric nothingness is not physical. It's not matter.
     

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