Got drunk and bought salvia

i've always heard 500*, and the volcano maxes out at 446*

 

my vape can definitely handle it. It goes up to 300 celcius (542F). But I will smoke it so I don't get too fucked up.

 

i think either way, you're going to get "too fucked up"

but, life is about experiences

 

Huh....that's odd, because I've known people who vaporize it exclusively to keep from triggering their asthma from the particle matter. That's how I knew the volcano'd handle it. And they're not handy enough to have made any modifications to it.

However, I do agree, that even if a vaporizer CAN handle it, it's not the most controllable way to ingest the dosage.

 

I wish you good luck, dude, and keep your dose in the range I listed, because for 20x that's still a moderately liberal dose. It's always easier to take a second dose if you're a stonehead than to go 'oh shit, I took too much' and wonder why you went past level 6.

Just remember, if things get too weird, your mantra is 'I'm just tripping, I'll be fine in 20 minutes'

 

i don't know enough about salvia to be able to say anything for sure, but it might be like weed where vaping it at a lower than ideal temp will still get you the same effect, but not all of it?

but we're pretty much arguing the same point; smoke it.

 

Central, you've hit part of it, in that at a lower temp, it's hard to know what kind of dose you're getting, but at the higher temps, it's really easy to get a way huge dose that leaves you wondering why the dwarves are playing pingpong with your testicles.

So yeah, absolutely smoke it.

 

i dont suggest doing anything youre scared of doing.

just know what it is and decide whether youd like to experience it.

and remember that it lasts 5 minutes tops so youll come back quick.

 

in my experience, if you smoke to much you won't be able to think any of those things. you wont be able to think. you wont know you're on anything. you be dismayed but not know why, you'll not have any concept of self or recollection of normal reality.

its a howling, chaotic moment where you witness, feel, and experience more than you can in several days of regular life. and you perceive the utterly indescribable.

when i've smoked too much, i have been unable to console myself because i didnt know i had a self and i lost all language skills until the experience ended, and i didnt even really understand why reality had changed so drastically or what was different about it....

 

i agree that anyone who says you can think your way out of a bad trip by knowing it will be over soon hasn't smoked enough in one hit to know what that trip is like.

every time i've done salvia it's been PurpleSticky 80X(why get anything but the best? lol), always been out of a multiple perc bong, and i don't ever remember exhaling, i was in a different world before i did.
i've taken hits to the point of not knowing that i'm a person, or even what a person is. and i had no idea while it's happening what was going on, be it what's happening around me or what i was thinking(hard to describe because there was no "me" where i was)

 

Yeah, but we're hoping he stays low enough that he can still think. Besides, if he's still capable of thinking then he's capable of choosing to panic, and giving him something to do besides panic is the purpose of that, not to say he can talk himself down from a bad trip.

being a tree, or a chair, or melting into a pile of goo on the floor doesn't do much for conscious thought, I will admit, but I was trying to keep from scaring the utter shit out of the poor guy.
That's why I advised him on a low dose, to smoke, not vape, and to go low and slow...give him a chance to decide if he likes it or not before he goes all the way down the rabbit hole.

And CS, your'e right, I don't try to blow my mind into goo on a single toke. I'm doing it for the mental exploration side of things, as a psychonaut, and If I'm unable to have clarity, then the trip isn't going to do much of anything for me.

Yeah, I've been in the realm of 'wtf', where I've been poured through multiple layers of reality and sieved through the mesh of my own neurons and shown that everything I ever knew or existed was a total farce....that the world was absolutely fake, and that everyone's been in on it and laughing at me because I was the only one too stupid to catch on. I've seen the factory of props, and the room of gears, and the molds of flesh-rubber. Good trips and bad.

I was acting on the assumption that he was looking for a sub-threshold intorductory experince, but if it's required, I'll bow out, and let you guys tell him to hit it for all it's worth, and let him decide on his own whether he wants to go there again or not.

 

i now do it for the mental aspect as well. the first time was because i thought it was going to be like "weed and shrooms sorta mixed together,(<what my dumb ass friend told me, then said that he had just smoked leaves, and adding to that he's never done shrooms as i found out)" and thus had a very bad trip(saw hell, was death; not like the grim reaper, i was what death was..).

now, although i'm not able to put what happens into words, the coming back to reality part of the trip is what i smoke it for; to some extent(for me at least) it gives a "blank slate" viewpoint coming back to what is 'normal' and for at least a few minutes allows you to look at yourself and whats really importaly very differently.

 

i've become a growing tree with relatively low doses.

i've become an indescribable, ever physically changing device of some sort....that was a wierd feeling. being something i could conceive of but could say nothing about, and had no idea of its capabilities or functions....just that its some sort of machine.


then again i also met a goddess who healed a past gf of a disease. it was probably the most spiritual "drug" experiences in my life, and one of the most spiritual and moving in all my life, even.

i also witnessed myriad angels/gods walking up and down a seemingly infinite staircase behind the scenes of normal life, essentially backstage in a dimensional sense....in the only wall on the staircase were items related to the wellbeing of humans. they would be skewed if a person was ill physically, mentally, or spiritually, and these angels tried to fix it for the person. they usually did a good job, but sometimes it was too much for them and they couldnt help the person enough or at all......


that was also a breathtaking experience.



but the point is that while salvia is very shortlived, it is a VERY intense psychedelic, and among the most intense i've experienced. i never found the need to go to a strength higher than 10, or it would be very uncomfortably strong for me.

i can get a good solid trip off of 5x even.

the trick is to start small and get a feel for it. with 5x it takes me a pinch for a good trip usually. with 10x a pretty small pinch.

any stronger and i find eyeing out doses gets too difficult and potentially lead to some unintentionally overly strong experiences one is not ready to handle.

i find using a subpsychedelic dose first is useful. salvia is a very strange and alien drug in terms of its effects. its not all warm and fuzzy like 2C-B, it doesnt feel like being a child or returning home for once, it doesnt feel connected to the earth, its not like LSD or mushrooms.....its not like anything....

i find fully psychedelic doses of salvia rather unsettling. i have found smoking one or two small, subimmersion doses prior to taking the plunge to help remind me of what salvia feels like, help me acclimate my mindset slightly, and let me prepare for a salvia trip better than any other method. it makes the upcoming trip far easier to handle for me.

this might not apply to everyone. but i find it a useful practice, helping to prevent me from freaking out.

i would think you'd have to have at least a couple trips under your belt for this to work, otherwise the very mild effects of subpsychedelic doses would not remind you of previous trips, would not remind you of what a salvia trip feels like. i think the association between the mild effects and the strong effects would have to be built up a little before this practice would be particularly useful.

but i'd warn very much to err on the side of caution. for me 20x is quite uncomfortably potent. i'd suggest starting SMALL on the dosage, and increase it regularly in future attempts until you reach full-on in-another-dimension psychedelic visions.

it wont take long to get there with 20x.

be sure to hold the hit as long as you possibly can. 30sec is ideal

 

Yeah, we're trying to give him a bit better info than you went in with. He is still a first timer, after all.

certainly agreed with the aftereffects being part of the experience, but we both know that Lady Sally'll be a bitch if she damn well feels like it, first time or 50th...lol. So trust me, man, I'm not disrespecting your experiences, especially since if you trip balls on 80x, you're a better man than me...

Part of why I do it myself and stick to the lower dosages, is I'm exploring the inside of my head during the trip itself, and want to be able to understand the experience when I come back.

 

Nesta, you saw the healing parade and wall too?

that's why I advised him on a .05-.075 gram dosage the first time, since I'm going on the assumption that his sitter's going to be straight, that should be PLENTY for him...might even be a bit on the high side, maybe dunk his feet in the rabbit hole, or turn him into a shrub or a confused can of peanuts, but shouldn't fuck him up TOO harshly.

You know, wave at her from across the street instead of walking right up and snogging her....lol

 

the devices set in the wall (all of the landscape felt as if suspended in nothing and it was all created of pure, radiant white light)

in the wall were openings of sorts. coming out of the openings were handles, with the impression that they were made of something similar to wood.

i did not see through the wall but had the knowledge dropped into my consciousness that on the other end were metaphysical baskets of sorts, cradling the essence of an individual human, with a profound effect on their lives. if the handle was misplaced in the opening, its position indicated disease of some sort. the angels or gods did their best to fix them when they could, and it was their sole occupation apart from traveling the stairs.

i had a silent companion being guiding me, if i recall properly. i didnt see him, but felt it was a male, as i felt most of the angels were. if i really remember properly (it was a long time ago and i cannot remember for certain) we were going up the stairs for a bit....



one thing to remember as a new user is that, like cannabis, your first few tries may be unsuccessful. i got high the first time i smoked weed, but i smoked decent doses of salvia quite a few times before breaking through.

remember, take it all in one hit, and hold as long as you can.


i found recently being on another psychedelic seems to make the salvia experience more accessible and more easy to come to grips with once you make it there...its less of a profound shift from the reality you are experiencing at the time you take it, and you are more open to accepting it.

i would decrease the dosage if tripping on another substance already, though. but thats me.

 

Nesta...that's kinda weird man.

Creepy familiar kind of weird.

Nice. I saw the wall, the handles, the parade, but I didn't see the beings so much, just 'movements' perceived as beings. my experience was hazier than yours, and just different enough that I'm not sure it's the same place, but that'd be a tad fucked.

Where you saw solid white light, I saw the eternal starfield. I couldn't get too close, because I didn't have an escort, and felt like I needed one, but I got drifted to my 'right mind' before anything else happened.

 

one thing i dislike about salvia is its short lived qualities, but a few times it has been its saving grace.

the problem is that when i finally start to feel the least bit comfortable and aware in the new reality into which i've been hurled, i have to return to this one. i often feel uncontrollably launched into a new and bizarre realm, when i finally start learning the rules of the new universe i'm uncomfortably force back into my body and normal reality. its too brief when you have a truly wonderful experience.

i wish to explore the potentials of chewing salvia, or sublingual tinctures.

there are stronger and weaker doses which as still fully psychedelic.....i know what you mean. sometimes i've felt distanced from the visions, unable to fully immerse myself.....

other times i'm forced so close into it to become it, such as the horribly frightening one i described earlier.

i think it all depends on the dose you end up with

 

Yeah, I wish I was talented enough in my green thumb abilities to want to pay for a plant. chewing a quid is supposed to be a whole other experience....I don't know enough about sublingual extracts to be futzing about with them. I've had good work with the dried leaf.

CS, thanks for the mention of purple sticky, I tracked back to the purple sticky site, and they've got a better price on the dried leaf than I can get here.

Nesta, that is kind of a downer, once you start figuring things out, you have to swap realities. Reminds me of this life, and death. Once we really start figuring things out here, we go elsewhere....

 

i've never had such detailed entity contact as to see clear as day features like a face....

my experiences with other beings is in a world of forms and figures....

even when face to face with the goddess i met, which i think of as a goddess OF salvia essentially, she was merely a form, and outline, a shape and body and essence and personality....she communicated with me....and though face to face, i never saw her face. she was made of energy.

i was in utter shock and awe that she would reveal herself to me, and without being able to have a normal thought process, essentially worshiped her to the fullest extent i have ever worshipped any deity, with the most incredibly moving and overwhelming feelings of awe, love, reverence, and acknowledgment of the divine.

i, in a way, was still conscious enough to know there was a prayer worth praying, and i communicated that i humbly and truly wished my girlfriends illness to be alleviated. the medicines the doctors gave her were not making her feel better. she was miserable.

the godess conjured up another, smaller energy form in the shape of a woman...her body was constructed of pulsating, vibrating energy perceived almost as light, similar to the godess, but the color, energy, and vibration was distinct from the godess and clearly another human....another being like me. i knew instinctively who it was and my relationship with this person, though i couldnt think of who i was or who the other person was in terms of our identities in the dominant, normal reality.

on her thig and waist, in exactly the areas where the illness was hurting my girlfriend (shingles), the vibration of energy which she was constructed from was very different from that of the rest of her body. fast, frenzied, chaotic, unhealthy. the goddess healed her, made her whole, balanced her energy. the vibrations changed back to that of the rest of her body, and she was better.

i came back to normal reality quite moved and in a state of awe and almost disbelief.

this was back when i was still in highschool. the next morning, before school, my girlfriend called me with the excited and arguably coincidental news that all the pain was gone, and she felt MUCH better. it was only a few days later before she was all better completely and removed the bandages and so on.

it was a mysterious and unexplainable experience, but to me it is the single most deciding factor in my belief that certain substances used as a sacrament may have far more to them then simply being hallucinations, ILLUSIONS and DECEPTIONS brought on by some "drug"

i think theres much more to it than that, i think theres something to these other realities, and i dont think its just snakeoil.

it has very much shaped my view of psychedelics and spirituality. i've had tons of very spiritual trips, but only in this case have i witnessed a profound and undeniable connection between these other realms and ours, and it, to me, proves they are really in existence and of religious and/or scientific importance.

i realize this is an absurd notion and a huge leap of faith, but it is no more absurd than any other religious/spiritual faith or belief. christianity is NO exception. my ideas, to me, are far more logical than the christian view of the universe. mine are based in personally witnessed miracles and mystical experiences, not stories of miracles long ago and mystics of ages gone by....

we have to learn from past sages and mystics, but a religion without firsthand mystical experiences is a lifeless religion, a religion of the mind only and not the mind, body and spirit.....


but i guess i'm straying from the point of this thread.