Guncrazy USA

It must be stated that the US did not execute anyone, starting around 1967, for about a decade, until around 1976. But than executions started to steadily rise again around, especially in the 80s.

Certian states have abolished the DP...others like Maine, have it on the books, but have not used it in over a century!

Like many laws, the DP differs from state to state, FYI.

Around 90-95% of DP occur in 4-5 states, and basically a higher percentage in the south.

I am strongly against the DP and have a lot of interesting info, that I dug up when I was trying to build my case against it.

I am saddened that this country still executes and tourtures, and that so many of us are killing our own and others.

 

I am also against the death penalty but, with all due respect, would prefer to focus our discussion on the topic of limiting access to firearms in Guncrazy USA.

Now we've had a lot of the usual pro-gun argument, and the same for the anti-gun.

In the begining we had the over reactions from people who have an opinion about everything, but hardly the stamina, or the information, to see a very important, topical, and essential debate through.

Although I do not agree with Dirk's pro-gun POV, I will say well done for formulating a constructive case for your argument. The same goes for Lithium, with whom I do agree on the anti-gun bench.

Needless to say, well done to everyone else who is sincere in finding a solution to this problem, hopefully before the next tragedy occurs.

Now, if we can turn the clock back a bit, to all those who have followed this debate from the start, you will know that in the heat of the moment, there were some silly comments made.

But there were one, or two comments made that appeared to be unresearched and based on assumption and stereotype, rather than knowledge.

Neither Lithium, Dirk, Balbus, Sentient, and a few others were responsible for these blind statistics, but I, The White Scorpion, would now like to dispel a few myths, i.e. the ones about the Swiss owning guns and that all was truly well and happy go daisy in their country:

This is part of a report taken from The Independent on the 1st May, 2004. Have a little look at this me old mateys:

Rise in gun crime forces Swiss to reconsider right to bear arms.
By Peter Popham

Switzerland, an island of gun culture at the heart of Europe, is agonizing over whether to introduce controls on possessing guns and ammunition as alarm spreads over the number of gun deaths in the country.

The latest incident occured on he evening of Friday 13 April in the restaurant of a hotel in the northern city of Baden - three days before Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people at Virginia Tech in the United States.

According to the International Actin Network on Small Arms, an anti-gun organization based in the UK, 6.2 people died in Switzerland of bullet wounds in 2005 per 100,000 population, second only to (yes you guessed it) the US figure of 9.42 and more than double the rate of Germany and Italy.

So there you have it, friends, there's your Switzerland for you.

Get rid of guns.

They kill people.

 

WOLLLLUMMMMMEYYYYY !! By Jove I think you hit a sore spot there - right up the butt cheeks right on the big brown starfish

No arguing with them statistics
that was a slam dunk - a slap on the bald eagles head with a big wet trout

 

Pitt you wonderfully make my point for me.

You are not asking why your society is like it is you are either trying to justify the intimidation or disregard it.

You have already accepted that US jails are brutal and if you are not sure there are plenty of amnesty international reports on it.

And while there are Americans opposed to torture and illegal incarceration many do support such things and have done right through US history.

As to dangerous neighbourhoods you don’t seem to be asking why they are dangerous, in the past your advice has been to just not go to such places or go there armed.

As I’ve said the attitude of intimidation and suppression that seems prevalent in many quarter of US society is many times just not noticed or accepted.

 

BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAARRRRRRRRR Muwouhahahahahahaha waa\aaaaaaaahhhhaahahahahahahahaahhhaha

you really dont get it do you, meat head, the point balbus is trying to make is that you are just trying to justify waving your dick in the air - sorry I mean waving your gun in the air - you are not interested in who gets killed how many get killed just so long as you and your fetish for armaments and death are satisfied - YOU NAZI FUCKING **** !!!! you love the murder rates high - you love that fetishistic power dont ya !

 

maybe because I have had enough - you are one prime meat head man !

 

I didn't bother to read all this but I have a question. Did anyone attempt to bring up that maybe if guns were legalized and everyone was allowed to carry that it could cut down on the use of guns?

And you should seriously try to ban knives first, there is no way in hell you are going to protect yourself against a knife.

 

I strongly agree with you. People have the right to bare arms. I mean I don't own again and prolly never will, but maybe they should raise the age limit, but nothing to exstravegant. Cause like Mandell said people kill people. And wether or not they have guns they will find a way to do so. Like for exam,ple. What if they got ahold of some fire works or exsplosives, would you go after theose people who made the shit or those whou used it? Or what if someone killed a person with a car. Who you go after the manufacturer or would you go after the damn person who did it? I'm not trying to say that teh campus thing was right. I'm agreeing that it was wrong. And besides who in the hell would let students carry guns to school anyways. If a college campus was stupid to let their students carry guns(not saying that they did) then that's like telling kindergarteners that they can too. And then letting them shoot away uncontrolobly at each other.

 

I agree w/what ur sayin bury but, i am sure whatever i put in rebuttal will most likely be taken out of context. So, i am just not going to say anthing further.

 

Hey, Drik

there are alot of people around hipforums i have found who don't give a crap about the hipforum rules..I have found if you give your honest opinion on something you will most likely get some asshole who bashes your opinions & calls you names. So, i don't really even bother posting anymore because, I'm sick of assholes like that..

 

maybe if you were interesting it would make up for the fact that you twist the facts, lie, and generally just dont GAF about the issue just your POV on the issue. You actually dont get that the world is moving to sweep away those whose views are non-negotiable and yet unreasonable - the fact s are there and if I act childishly that is certainly no greater mistake than you acting like a corrupt moron that lies and twists fact just to backup their argument -

 

man everyone knows who you are !!! dont say you didnt read it all - you got banned in this thread

 

I'm banned in this thread? Cause I'm still posting in it Champ... And I have no clue what you are talking about, other than everyone knows that I am Cultural Creative.

 

We are being civil about what we are discussing. Noone needs to talk about banning people or if they have already been banned. I think that's rude. He's just speaking his opinions Sentient. Your rude as hell!

 

Anyway, there seems to be a bit of forum stalking going on, and if anyone thinks that Sentient is rude then they obviously haven't "really" read this thread (with the exception of Pitt). If they did, they would have seen the slanderous attack that was launched on me a little while back.

My reaction: I laughed about it and made my reply, then tried to steer the topic back into discussion.

I never made a complaint.

I didn't expect anyone to stand up for me, although I was saddened to see the gay minority term used in such a hateful, demeaning way as if they were people inferior to everyone else.

I haven't got any of my little friends to start logging on to give emphasis to my disdain, and without providing any factual contribution to one of the most heated debates in the forum at the moment.

Yes, this is a heated debate. Tempers will fly. Americans aren't dumb. We are asking a few people in America, not dictating or having a nationwide broadcast, if they would consider altering the 2nd Ammendment in the Constitution of the United States of America, so that less people will go around with guns causing massacres in shopping malls, schools, etc.

That is all.

It is understandable that people will be reluctant to do that. They have been taught (although some people would be tempted to use another word) from school to respect the constitution, because it was designed for their liberty.

The constitution, however, is as relevant to today's America as is the Bible.

If Benjamin Franklin was brought back to life and saw what was happening to America he would probably flee to Jamaica, or Holland! Probably Holland

And by the way, DP, you're quoting Swiss figures from 2002, old boy. In 2005, 48 people were "murdered" by gunfire in Switzerland - about the same number as in England and Wales, which have a population "seven" times as large.

BTW Well done for spotting that the figure I posted earlier was from an anti-gun organization. I posted that deliberately so that everyone knows that I am open-minded in debate, and do not cover up, manipulate, or lie about my stats. It also happens that pro-gun organizations don't take much interest to record figures that counter their argument.

 

I'm sorry you felt compelled to make such a violent and illegal outburst (asking someone to kill themselves is illegal both in the UK, Holland, and the USA amongst other places)
however your refusal to acknowledge reason when it punches your argument to the floor and batters its head in is immense. White Scorpion presented you with the facts on Switzerland and you just completely make up shit about them being a blip and you even admitted that you didnt know how such a blip could occur - but then you started mincing on like some agitated queen, about how the right to bear arms has no bearing on his figures anyway

Either youre interested in the debate and for the purpose of finding a real solution to the problem that is endemic in gun culture or you are just there to whack off in public like some perverse attention whore !

I suspect the latter

 

Oh Pitt I love you, every time you post you build my case for me.

You are unable to get beyond your conditioning to become self aware.

As I’ve said many times now (for someone that complains about others not reading posts you seem to be incredibly tardy in that respect yourself) this is about an attitude that can colour the way people thing about many subjects and problems and has an influence on they way they think such problems could be dealt with.

This isn’t a new argument I’ve gone into it with a fair amount of detail on a number of occasions, in discussion with you. And it is amazing how unwilling you are to connect with it, you can’t refute it, so rather than confront what it might mean you ignore it.

For example you still don’t seem to be asking why the US seems to feel the need for the threat of capital punishment to deter murder. You are not asking why the US has an execution rate that is on a par with countries that are either very poor or whose regimes are thought of as authoritarian even tyrannical.

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Again I’m sorry to say that I have to question your honesty and integrity. Once again you claim I wish to remove guns from law abiding citizens.

You know this is a lie

I’ve said on many occasions, and several times in reply to your direct questions, that I do not want to remove guns from law abiding citizens.

Why do you lie?

If you really believe your position is strong and just why do you feel compelled to lie in its defence?

But it does make me wonder if there are any more lies that have been told that I’ve missed?


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mary jane girl

If you don’t feel able to defend your views then shouldn’t you refrain from posting them until you can?

But that is not what you are doing.

You are supporting certain ideas without having the honesty or courage (and possibly the gumption) to say why you support those ideas.

Basically you are in an intellectual cul-de-sac you believe something but don’t actually know why.

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Suicide rates according to WHO 1999

USA - 17.6 males per 100,000 - 4.1 females per 100,000

UK - 11.8 males per 100,000 - 3.3 females per 100,000

But i would add that such international statistical comparisons of such things are very difficult to actually gauge.

 

Beaut

Fireworks and cars are not designed to kill people.

Also these things do happen there are limits on what level of explosives can be bought and cars have to go through numerous safety checks to make sure they are safe, and if cars are faulty the manufacturer is often found guilty.


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