hare krishna

Hare Krishna!


If people are happy and sincere, whatever they believe is ok with me - not trying here to say that you must believe this or that - everyone is free to beleive in Krishna, Jesus, Buddha, The Great Spirit, Tao, Angels - just seeking here to follow a particular line.... myself, I have no wish to impose my beliefs on others

With Love,

BBB.

 

am not sure of exactly what matt is saying but tis true that some hare krishnas have been rather pushy of their beliefs and black spotted the ideology

 

You're absolutely right about some being very pushy - too pushy IMHO

I'm not fully sure what Matt was saying, but I just wanted to say that not all who believe in Krishna are either narrow minded or saying 'this is the only way'.

And Chief, the posts on the Makara are very interesting - thanks once again.

Love,

BBB.

 

Lol. If u chant mahamantra, or serve prasadam, or spread the Mahaprabhu's message it is the best pushiness you can ever get.

Today. My friend asked me to Mc over his drum and bass vinyls in our college radio, he's a dj. I sang some stuff and then I chanted a few mahamantra rounds and I finished with Jay Prabhupada. hahaha. Nobody knew how pushy I am


I was travelling by subway here in Montreal and all of a sudden it hit me. Check this:

George Harrison -Hari's son -get it? hahaha

 

lol...I saw that on an Vaisnava tribute site to George Harrison...I thought that was pretty cool...

 

yeah, I've never realized it. but in each case quite mind blowing, isn't it? Hari is Lord Krishna. hihihihihi.

 

Hare Krishna!

The thing is though Jiva, that often too much pushyness, especailly coupled with dogmatism, is one of the main factors that can put folks (or potential FOLKS - Freinds of Lord Krishna) off.

 

Or using the logic that since everything belongs to Krishna, its ok to steal for Krishna's service.

 

No, no, if you're really Krishna conscious -you're the one who gives -mahamantra, prasadam, message of Bhagavadgita. You must do it according to circumstances of course, but please never compromise. Never agree on impersonalism.

 

However, before trying to give others the message of Bhagavad Gita, it is necessary to be fully sure of what that message is. The last word of Bhagavad Gita is often said to be Chapter 18, verse 66

'Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me; I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear'

I don't like to criricize anyone who is following sincerely any spiritual path.

Hare Krishna!

 

So occasional hatred for God (krishna) is simply a step in the path? Generally, anytime I am angry with something or someone, I blame God. I also credit God for the good times- since everything is God's fault/creation.

 

Hare Krishna!

The goal of this yoga is love of Krishna - we have no reason to blame God when things go wrong - often it's our own doing. If we surrender, that means we aren't seeking any goal that is not Krishna's will. We give up our own desires and so whatever Krishna sends is to be accepted.
But in the Srimad Bhagavatam Krishna's pastimes are described, and as well as devotees, Krishna also has enemies. Krishna's uncle, King Kansa was one such. He was always thinking of Krishna, but in a negative way, plotting to kill him, and eventually challenging Him to a wrestling match. Kansa lost this contest and was killed by Krishna, but he was also given immediate liberation. So even thinking of Krishna in a negative way isn't all bad - its better than not thinking of Him at all. And perhaps Kansa himself was secretly a devotee, but took the role of enemy for the sake of the lila, Krishna's Divine play.

 

Hare Krishna! Page 108!

 

Ah, so it is page 108! Hare Krishna!!

Btw Andrew, beautiful picture!!

 

Divine narcissism

 

lol...you're right...hehe...

That is a very beautiful picture...thanks for sharing it!

 

But we can do nothing except what God sets out for us to do. You start in whatever form Krishna picks, and you end how krishna chooses- so all things that happen (even your 'wrongs') are caused by Krishna and within the divine plan. When Krishna deliberately provokes your anger, it is not your fault. You cannot stand up against Krishna- all you can do is become angry, for this is Krishna's will. At the same time as you recognize that your anger is deliberately provoked by Krishna, you should recognize that your anger is part of Krishna's will, and therefore the blame for your anger lies upon Krishna, as well as the credit for whatever benefit you gain from becoming angry with Krishna.

Including our own desires that Krishna has built into us. We do not create desire through our own will, Krishna creates our desire as well as our surrender. Causing painful desire to arise within a being is part of what Krishna does.

Enemies that Krishna has deliberately created with the purpose of defeating them. If I have a child, and deliberately cause its enmity for the sole purpose of vanquishing my own child, I would be judged as evil, would I not? If in following Krishna's example of causing evil in the world I emulate the supreme being, then the evil I do is nothing more than divine drama, and the pain is just part of the act. It is no matter that we have no choice in the roles we play.
Do you not think that this is heavy handed of Krishna to decide to deliberately be hurtful of one part of creation and favor the other portion? Does your desire not to be the enemy of Krishna cause you to ignore the deliberate provocations of your creator? Is your will greater than Krishna's that if Krishna decides to provoke your anger, you will not be angered?

So perhaps Krishna provokes my enmity in order to liberate me, and chooses the easy path (of provoking love) for others?

 

This idea that we can do nothing but what Krishna puts into us is not quite right. In the Gita, it is explained that this world of the lower nature is more or less mechanical in its operations. A person thinks they are acting in a way they have willed, but it is only the Gunas, the modes of nature or prakriti acting. Krishna has three main energies - the higher spiritual nature, the lower material and the marginal, which includes all living entities. In effect, unless the true relation to God is realized, we are on a conveyor belt - we have the idea that we choose this or that course of action, but it is all determined by karma and the gunas. By the lower nature, or Kshara.
Also, in the Gita Krishna says that anger and so on are lower qualities that are associated not with the Divine, but with the demonic. There are these two natures in us - the devotee, as I explained, is one who gives up the illusion of personal desires, preferences, and so on. If we are not seeking to fulfil any particular desire, there is no frustration or disappointment possible, and hence, no cause for anger. Anger only arises when our own 'will' is thwarted.
Krishna doesn't 'provoke our anger' - if one is angry with God, it is because of the power of illusion, which makes us identify with the lower part of our being - physical, mental, false ego. If we can once realize our true identity as eternal spiritual beings, that we are simply small packets of the self same God, and this nature is blissful and eternally liberated, what cause for anger?
Even from a different point of view, Christianity, God gives man free-will - we have a choice to turn to Him or not.
We have to serve either the false ego or God. It is true that God's will sustains the entire universe, but that doesn't mean we are automatically serving Him. It is a question of consciousness. Without God consciousness, we are not serving Him directly. We have the idea that we are doing this or that, fulfilling our desires etc, but it is all carried out by the modes of nature.

Hare Krishna!

 

Actually, Bhakti is a type of yoga. If you want to call it religion, thats up to you.

 

It is not a religion at all!!! If you got this characteristic, then you may call it a religion, but actually religion means dogma. Hare Krishnas are tolerant to other paths. As soon as you chant the names of God -it doesn't mater what path you follow. We respect Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha -cuz we understand that these were nothing than Krishna consciousness (God Consciousness) preachers. For Hare Krishnas set of practices are important, but the main thing is to serve Krishna. It is a service, not a religion. You might be attached to certain practises too. Also, it is not a belief. Belief changes. Once you believe in that than you believe in something else. Bhakti is eternal. It follows you from life to life. Devotee is not afraid to go to hell in order to serve Krishna, cuz he doesn't care for material conditions. We are spirit souls, not this material bodies. As soon as you understand this, you begin to understand Krishna.