has any good come out of christianity?

I take it this post was directed at me. Thus, I would ask you to explain my path, if you so know it, and tell everyone why it is one of destruction.

 

Sorry, but post like these are really getting on my nerves.

"You will never find anything good about Christians or Christianity."

So your saying that Christians and Christianity is 100% bad. Number one it's a blanket statement. Number two, you couldn't prove this even if you tried. So why do you say it?

"Christianity? Stupid. Jesus? Good."

You do realize that Christianity is meant to be the following of Jesus' teachings right?

 

neodude,

because those of religion and faith only accept one path that exists in their imaginations. They deny the possibility of any other path. This is the principal of FAITH. If it is beyond you to grasp how this is a destructive path then I suggest you try closing your eyes and driving a car on the freeway guided by your FAITH !!

 

Relaxx. How many paths do you accept? Are any paths that involve a relationship with God acceptable to you? I consider myself a Christian, and I have "FAITH":--i.e., I've made a "joyful bet" (to quote Luther) that a set of beliefs and values offers the best path for me. My decision is based on intuitive risk-taking, supported by what I consider to be substantial evidence. But I don't claim to have truth by the tail or to rule out the possibility that people of other faiths (including atheists) also have valid insights and knowledge that I don't to contribute. I respect and learn from Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and neo-pagan religions, as well as Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Dennett, etc. There are narrow minded Christians, but not all are. And Buddhism is a big enough tent for everyone. Driving a car on the freeway with your eyes closed is just dumb. My faith in reason tells me that. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, and the atheists who worshipped them, certainly caused more than their fair share of destruction. No religion or non-religion has a monopoly on truth or dumbasses.

1969, you should check out Calvinism. Even though you don't think much of Christians, you're really very close to that mentality. If Christians aren't perfect, they're "totally depraved" no goodniks. I guess I'm a relativist. The teachings and example of Jesus are things to aim for, and even if we fall short, every little bit helps.

 

Well relaxxx, as a matter of fact, im not adverse to learning from other religions. Certain ideas from other cultures and religions have been presented to me which now make up parts of my understanding and beliefs.

 

:O ... People.

The path is always the same.

Compassion, Love and Forgiveness.

Anything else is Useless.

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Hey Laxxx long time no see

"I suggest you try closing your eyes and driving a car on the freeway guided by your FAITH !!"

You may want to watch who you tell that one too bud. Just a suggestion.

 

A lot of charity in the United States comes from churches.

 

It's funny how a "joyful" bet based on flawed religous values can lead to an entire population supporting an unjust war on an unarmed country, or to turn their backs on the genocide of millons.

Cults of personality are their own religion, faith in a God is simply replaced by faith in a human.

 

so your values are more valid than "flawed religious values"


i have a feeling that whether you know it or not, your values most likely come from a long line of religion in some way shape or form, whether it be your parents, friends, or society in general.

 

ok, christianity itself is areally great concept in some ways but the people that follow it have distorted the teachings of christ and have used it to justify wrondoings such as the holocaust and other things. its like communism, its a great concept of everyone being equal but the people that control it are greedy and corrupt and it doesnt work out. same with the people that follow christianity. im not an atheist btw i just dont know what i believe in but i read a post today thats got me to believe that shit has more worth than humans b/c it creates life while we only destroy it. its the one under random thoughts about birds, cant remember the title srry

 

i like birds (sorry this is NOT a thread about bird)
check it out but it has nothing to do with christianity. the post im talking about was posted by soaringeagle and is among the newer posts to the thread

 

Religion is a dirty, evil word. Faith, is a blessing. Concentrate on faith, not religion.

 

LOL, take away faith from religion and your left with a social structure that MIGHT actually be capable of making a smart decision!

 

Understanding other religions and even the eythemology of the word religio, I don't understand the religion vs faith thing. Yes I know people use "religion" to mean insitutional acts while "faith" usually denotes an attempt to live ones life by strict spiritual guidelines---but aren't the two really the same thing. Religion is the product of faith of all kinds. Religion is a total way of life while "faith" is a beliving act. It is like what James wrote in his letter (2:14-26). Faith without acts is dead.

Faith is good, but religion is the acts (both communal and social, meaning ritual acts and social betterment etc).

 

It's funny how anyone could believe that said unjust war is supported by an entire population, and that religious values had something to do with the motives of the minority that does support it. But I'd certainly agree that any "religious values" supporting the conflict are flawed. I assume you're talking secular religion or idolatry. The war has from the outset been motivated by fear, misguided patriotism, misguided desire to spread "democracy", geopolitical advantage, and oil--good ol' secular values. Worship of false gods always leads to disaster. The war was certainly a gamble, and the people who made the bet were joyful at first, but they bet on the wrong horse--Mammon instead of God. Your point about faith in god being inevitably replaced by faith in other things is valid. Faith is the only alternative to nihilism, which is itself faith--in nothing. Most atheists put their faith in science (scientism) and/or humanity (humanism).

 

couldnt have said it better myself.

 

no one can say things better than okie can.

 

But Christianity is a faith, and not a religion. Any REAL Christian will tell you that.

Of course, they'll also tell you my religion is a cult... which it is. Jesus and his disciples were a cult too. I recentally found that out from one of our leaders...

 

What are religions then?

Hinduism, for example, is a way of life. A total system of being. Dharma is the closest word in Sanskrit to "religion".

 

Also, in addition to Hryhorii's post, what defines a REAL christian?