has any good come out of christianity?

Bullshit, I'm talking about republicans and eveyone knows they vote for christian values. Republicans couldn't be less secular. When amarica voted a Lying warmonger back in office in 2004 there's no mistaking Americas true colors.

No, There is no need in having faith in something after it has been proven, verrified and replicated. It is just fact and knowledge.

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Religion is nothing more than a group of people following a common faith

 

Oh, I get it. You're confusing Republicans with Christians, and generalizing their views to support of war by the entire U.S. population. I think of Christians as people who follow the teachings and example of Jesus. Republicans depend on a "core" minority of a certain kind of Christian whose leaders often preach the opposite of Jesus' teachings but use the "Christian" label and are put forward by the press as being the quintessential Christians because they claim to be Christian and think of themselves that way. These so-called Christians remind me of the Shammai Pharisees who thought of themselves as the real Jews. These are the ones Jesus preached against. Screw the poor, praise the rich, violence--are things Jesus preached against. He never mentioned Gays and abortion. So in what way are these people Christian? They are a minority among Christians, and the Republican leadership cynically manipulates them to gain and keep office, but could never do so without the support of independents who are drawn by the politics of fear. The Bush-Cheney crew are driven by power and profit, not religion. Any effort to portray the war in Iraq as some kind of religious crusade, as Al Qaeda likes to do, is fundamentally mistaken.

Science is a process of inquiry that leads to empirically testable or refutable hypotheses. Often these lead to "facts" that do not depend on faith. Scientism, however, is faith that this process will eventually provide us with naturalistic answers to the Big Questions in life, and that is a faith comparable to that of any religion.

 

Hate to break this to you but YOUR Christianity is a very small minority. I think you are in denial about it.

 

I don't think so. According to a 2007 Pew poll, about 75% of Americans are Christian. Of those, about 24% are Catholic, 26% are white Evangelical Protestant, 7% are African-American Protestant,18% are Mainline Protestant. Bush's support comes mainly from the white Evangelical Protestant component, about three-quarters of whom supported him in 2004 . But the good news is that there has been a recent swing toward liberalism among Evangelicals, as older leaders like Fallwell and Robertson are dying off or losing their grip to newer leaders like Jim Wallis, Rick Warren, and the Red Letter Christians. The younger generation of Evangelicals is a different, more liberal breed. I'm in the Mainline Protestant category, but I can identify with liberal Catholics and Evangelicals.

 

Boy, that 7% must have really cheated the polls and voted 4 time each or something!

 

I don't know what 7% you're referring to. The 7% that's the African-American Evangelical component didn't vote for Bush. About three-quarters of the 26% (which I think is about 20% of the total) is the hardcore Christian right that supports Bush. Of course, Bush had broader support among American voters: pro-life Catholics, pro-Israel Jews, economic conservatives, national security voters, libertarian and anti-government conservatives, gun freaks, etc. The figures I gave you earlier from the Pew survey were about religious distribution in the U.S. population as a whole, not registered eligible voters, which may be different. Region is also important, overlapping with religion to some extent. In the 2004 elections in the South, Bush won 80% of the white Evangelical vote, but only 72% of them voted Republican in 2006 (Wikipedia). Kerry won 70% of black and Hispanic vote in the south which accounted for 29% of all southern voters. In the Mountain West, libertarian values are more important than religion for Republican voters. In 2004, Republicans attracted more Catholic, Jewish, and Hispanic voters than they usually do. The electoral college system also distorts things, amplifying the strength of intensely committed voting blocks who turn out for elections and tip their state over the bare majority needed to capture all its electoral votes. Remember, Gore won the popular vote in 2000, and Kerry was a weak candidate from a personality standpoint in 2004. And in some cases, I suspect the Bush supporters probably did cheat and vote 4 times (or the Diebold machines counted their votes 4 times). Without a papertrail, it's easy to cheat with those machines, and if it can be done, it has been done and will be done.

 

I guess I skimmed over your post too quickly, but moy point is even 26% can't swing an election.

 

No. But they're an important core around which Karl Rove & Company could forge a winning coalition for Bush. Of course, Bush had broader support among American voters: pro-life Catholics, pro-Israel Jews, economic conservatives, national security voters, libertarian and anti-government conservatives, gun freaks, traditional "rock-ribbed" Republicans, etc. And let's face it. Kerry wasn't a charismatic personality.

 

I am Romant-Catholic and proud of it!

Ave Maria!

 

Has any good ever come from a statement as ignorant as this?

 

Is pure love and defining the boundaries of it a "good thing"? :


4Love (K)is patient, love is kind and (L)is not jealous; love does not brag and is not (M)arrogant,

5does not act unbecomingly; it (N)does not seek its own, is not provoked, (O)does not take into account a wrong suffered,

6(P)does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but (Q)rejoices with the truth;

7(R)bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8Love never fails; but if there are gifts of (S)prophecy, they will be done away; if there are (T)tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.

9For we (U)know in part and we prophesy in part;

10but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.

11When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.

12For now we (V)see in a mirror dimly, but then (W)face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also (X)have been fully known. 13But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is (Y)love

 

and I agree, a lot of Christians are hypocrites who do nothing but judge and think htey are superior. But they are not true Christians. Going to church and believing in jesus do not make you Christian.
Following or trying your hardest to follow a path of genorousity, love and empahty because GOD sacrificed for you to do so makes you christian.

 

ok good point, its about time someone told me some good evidence. noone so far has actually made a solid argument. if you read though, ive already appologized twice i think for posting this. and i like what the person on the last page said about "has any good come out of statements like these?" i thought that was pretty cool. although i stand by what i said about most of the "christians" that arent really christians being assholes and judging everybody else for not being christian. and the damn govt...

 

I'd say this was a pretty good response that you just ignored. Instead of just quoting Paul, he referenced Jesus.

Until you've met "most christians" I'd be wary saying that they are assholes and judge people for not being Christian. Maybe most of the ones you've met are. I will give you that. What was with the thing about the gov't?

 

And if more 'Christian' husbands followed GOD's words all christian marraiges would be nearly perfect...no hurt, no jelousy, no abuse...especialy from people who are deemed as esteemed figures in the church. This is actually my faovirte passage. Once again about love, but this time more specific to marrraige:

Wives and Husbands

22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."[c] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

 

You don't need to apologize. Having your own beliefs and challenging others is healthy and productive. if someone can't defend their own beliefs their beliefs were actually none existent all along.

 

Some good has come out of Christianity, it is impossible to deny this. One can argue good points to just about anything, in nature the death of one being often means food for another.

These people that say true Christian this and real Christian that... They are picking what they want from Christianity and ignoring or denying the rest. Christianity in it's ENTIRETY is generosity and greed, hate and love, salvation and destruction...

The motto of Christianity is that people ARE sinners and Jesus died so we can be saved regardless of our sins. The subconscious message is that as a Christian you are expected to sin and you are expected to repent. In other words Jesus dies so you CAN SIN!

Do not even try to deny this message exist. It is a fundamental Cristian value, sin and forgiveness. Christian values are flawed values! Mix these flawed values and and faith (which again is equivalent to ignorance) and you have a society on a path to destruction.

Has Christianity done any good, yes. Is it overall bad, yes it is. When you look at the long term welfare of the human race and planet earth, it is bad. All of religion is very bad, we are on a destructive path thanks to religion (Organized Ignorance). Finding forgiveness within our ego's and subconscious will not repair the damage we've done in our lifetime.

 

So ignore all the other parts in teh bible about greed and lust and taking care of fellow humans...because shit Jesus died so let's act a fool.
Sounds like you're the one picking a choosing so you can justify fucking up.

 

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WTF? What fuck up am I justifying??

Nevermind! I will spare you the embarrassments of having to answer for yourself. You obviously do not have the slightest clue what I'm talking about.