Healthcare Reform.

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by lode, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. BraveSirRubin

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    Couldn't agree more.
     
  2. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    i am sure you will. i bet by the time you are done you will know more about it than 90% of congress.. :cheers2:
     
  3. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    Lol. I'll remember to email them. ;)
     
  4. hippiehillbilly

    hippiehillbilly the old asshole

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    perhaps you could lay it out for us in terms us commoners can understand..:rolleyes:
     
  5. odon

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    I'll post how I see it. That is all I can do.
     
  6. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    Germany's system would probably work better here, with elements of yours, and like I said, taiwans.
     
  7. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    The German opt out sytem seem like it would be better suited to America.
    The rest seems as convoluted as America.
    But, giving the option of a opt out creates a tiered system.

    I still do think our sysytem is better.
    It is equitable.
     
  8. Samuel Clemens

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    My ego does not cost thousands of dollars the way your broken wrist does. And if it did I would not expect others to foot the bill for it.

    It is nobody's fault but yours if you can't fix your problems. That falls under natural selection

    The smartest, fastest, and strongest make it. The rest parish.

    Before you ask financially falls under each category as a subcategory
     
  9. lode

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    I find this pretty intresting.

    The US pays more for healthcare now, per capita than any other industrialized nations. Even ones with the sweet deals for everyone like Switzerland.

    http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/24/4/903

    Maybe the problem is prices in the medical field going straight to HMO's stocks rather than actually simply paying for services?
     
  10. Death

    Death Grim Reaper Lifetime Supporter

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    Just because you can get put back together after you get your ass beat, and i do NOT get my ass beat in the first place cuz i cant afford to be put back together, so therefore i have to beat your ass first
     
  11. odon

    odon Slightly Popular

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    (Approx) I pay about £1800 a year. You guys pay $7500 (your figures are a little out of date.)
    A lot of your money goes to pay for the uninsured or the underinsured, apparently.

    The United States spent approximately $2.2 trillion on health care in 2007, or $7,421 per person – nearly twice the average of other developed nations. Americans spend more on health care than on housing or food. If rapid health cost growth persists, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that by 2025, one out of every four dollars in our national economy will be tied up in the health system.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/health_care/
     
  12. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    I would pay twice that a year in meds alone if I had to pay for my meds.
     
  13. Samuel Clemens

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    I would be in favor of no gov health care at all

    Help lessen the world, and specifically the US, population.
     
  14. HawaiianEye

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    I agree that the US should copy the NHS or a somewhat similair system like the one used in France,or a few other countries that know how to do healthcare the 'right' and superior way.---The problem with Obama+Co. is I don't even know what they're trying to do--they are making a simple issue complicated.--Then there is the issue of illegal aliens,which under NO circumstances should get anything whatsoever(aside from a one-way ticket back to where they came from).One thing is for certain,insurance companies should have NO place in the US healthcare system anymore.
     
  15. odon

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    Reading up on the US system and other countries systems...the insurance companies seem to be the biggest problem.
    Sucking the whole system dry.

    The problem seems to be (I see it as a problem, anyway), too many Americans just don't want to leave healthcare upto the state...rather dealing with it themselves. This has led to the insurance companies creating, near enough, a multi tiered system...and pushing out millions upon millions of people that can't afford it.
    It would not be so bad if each person was contributing say $2-3000 - but it is something like $7500 - that is just ridiculous.

    Our system EVERYBODY pays, even those with out work...so the burden is reduced and EVERYBODY gets the SAME health care.
    Sure it isn't perfect, and the private sector has its place...

    It is going to take a miracle worker to sort out the US health care system AND please the majority of the populace who seem almost rebelious to the notion of "socialised care" - get over it folks.

    I agree, it is being made far too complicated.
     
  16. Samuel Clemens

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    How do out of work people pay other than a debtors prison that costs money to operate?
     
  17. odon

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    Their welfare benefits are taxed. Which contributes to the NHS funds (just as if you were employed.) You still get just the same service - infact slightly more benefits due to not being employed. Odd I know.
     
  18. HawaiianEye

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    odon,also alot of Americans are still ignorant about how healthcare works in lets say England for example or other countries with top healthcare.---They mistakingly think the US still has the best system in the world.
     
  19. Samuel Clemens

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    That means those not working or on assistance do not pay and those on benefits pay into something they get back next week or next month anyway and get better benefits than those working?

    They are still getting a free ride on the dollar of workers if you think about that
     
  20. odon

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    Seriously? The best system in the world? :eek:
    It still seems the mantra is: Government out of my business.
    (regardless of how that affects everybody else as a whole.)

    May I add, our system isn't perfect and it is hardly the top...it is better than a lot of countries. But, our foundations are solid and reform is not as difficult, imo.
     
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