Healthcare Reform.

Yes

Gov be gone from health care and let people fend for themselves

 

Yep,a good number of Americans think a for-profit system run by insurance and drug companies is somehow the best system in the world.Some Americans are just ignorant.--Before insurance and drug companies got so much power in the US gov. US healthcare worked alot better.--I know the NHS while good is far from perfect,but I also know I'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the UK that would trade it for the US system.

 

No. We don't have "assistance" it is just variations of taxable benefits.
Pretty much everybodys unenployment benefits are taxed (it is deemed *taxable income".)
They aren't payed it back the next week...
The tax goes HM Revenue just like people who are working.

When I say "slightly more benefits" - I just mean, we still have to contribute seperately to eye/teeth care and prescriptions (along with a few other things.)
But those on benefits get these things at a reduced cost.

It is true, if you are not working for a long period of time and in some cases it is generation after generation that end up on benefits - you are effectively getting a "free ride".
But you don't chuck out the baby with the bath water...it isn't a perfect system...but we don't have nearly a quarter of our population with bugger all healthcare cover (other than in an emergency).

 

so if you do away with health care insurance how many jobs will go away with it? anyone have any estimates?

 

What would change peoples minds in your opinion?

I could probably find you a few
But, yeah push comes to shove, no, you would find it hard to find many people.
I'd hate to have to deal with healthcare insurance.

 

In the millions I am sure

 

The problem is we already pay the bill, everyone who goes to the emergency room is screened and treated by law. Long story short if you don't have insurance and don't pay the hospital get's no money, which results in insurance companies raising their prices. So in the end we pay either way, at least with the new healthcare plan, we would pay less.

We pay the most for our current healthcare in the world, yet we are 37th overall in quality and health. Other countries are doing more with less, there is no reason why the richest country in the world can't do the same. Something needs to change.

 

Unemployment is taxed here too

But if you get gov money each month you are simply paying from money you did not work for to begin with

 

So.. the poor should be denied basic medical care?

Imo, socialized healthcare is a great thing. If I had to pay out my ass for medical attention in a world where it is completely viable to give aid to all those in need, I would be less than impressed, to say the least.

I don't know about your reform, but I know that it is highly inhumane to put someone in debt for the rest of their life on account of an event that may have been out of their control, or even worse, deny them care in the first place.

 

What about the people who work, pay taxes, lose thier job for whatever reason and then claim welfare?

Really, welfare is over-stigmatized. Not everyone on welfare is a lazy bum, living on the boundary of poverty by choice.

 

Cobra covers a person for thirty days after the loss of a job

 

That is the nature of life

 

No, that is the nature of a sick society.

 

its my understanding that this bill will have a thing in it where "experts" will decide if the cost of procedures outweigh the productivity of the person receiving them..

basically if granma is in her 70's and needs a bypass the "experts" will decide whether she has enough to offer society to justify the procedure.. if they figure granma, or little crippled jimmy or whoever aint worth the effort they dont get the procedure done..

i wonder how yall feel about that?

 

I have a remedy.Ten million jobs can be created by deporting all US illegal aliens and making sure no-one hires them.--But Obama+Co. won't do that.-Also another 10 million jobs can be created if a stop was put to jobs being outsorced to China,India and so on..A little protectionism(sp?) is a good thing.--A far as the healthcare insurance industry losing a few thousand jobs--no problem.They should be out of business period.

 

This should answer that for you hillbilly

 

I know.
But, you also spend the first 16 years of your life getting a "free ride" from our government (UK).
You recieve the same healthcare provisions - but contributing zero to it.
You'll have to discuss the economics of all that with somebody who knows more about that side of it.
But, it generally means we all end up paying for each other.
Nobody really pays for the full cost of their individual healthcare needs.
That is what is so good about it.

 

That's a bit like : http://www.nice.org.uk/aboutnice/ http://guidance.nice.org.uk/
There is ongoing "controversy" if all medicines and all procedures should be available on the NHS.

 

Agree.Well said.