here is my personal mindfuck

well, i think the code's been around somewhat longer than emo.................

 

and most people do not deliberately speak code in an attempt to be fake. they just don't know anything else. and in order to communicate with other people (who unfortunately abuse language) one may have to use code themselves. i wonder if there was once a time when people only spoke when they had a thought, and then communicated whatever was on their mind. where there were no awkward silences, only silence itself. i wonder what it was like to never have to feel pressure to speak unless you had something genuine to say?

 

i recently read a book called: "On Bullshit" by Harry G. Frankfurt, which would be a really good read for anyone interested in learning more about code.

the book itself is a quick read, only about 67 pages.

wikipedia has a brief overview of it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit

i'd also like to add that this book isn't specifically about code but about bullshit, which i think is an advanced and much abused version of code and language.

 

i think the code is simply probably evolution of language and communication itself... that may have gone too far?

 

I remember reading somewhere that there are three types of people:

1) Those who think the purpose of language is to express yourself.

2) Those who think the purpose of language is to play by the rules of a game.

3) Those who think the purpose of language is to manipulate or control others.

So if someone liked doing drugs, for example, and they were asked their opinion on drugs, if they were type 1) they would say they like them. If they were type 2) they'd say "drugs are bad" because that's what you're supposed to say (it's one of the rules of the game). If they were type 3) they might say something like "You know, it really depends on your point of view. Some drugs are actually okay." in the hopes of persuading the other person to take a liking to drugs.

I would say type 3) definitely knows how to use code, and maybe type 2) to a certain degree.

On a side note, I wonder where JCP ran off to. I wonder how he's doing.

 

no that was more of a realization on the birth of emo then the code in general, my mind wanders sometime,,a lot of times actually. but yeh

 

hey do you guys ever just think about some shit that someone else says you make up and you think about it and they speak your mind for you? does that make sense? like something was said (im not going to be an fbi angent and figure out where) 88and it was thrown into the part of our mind that controls, or mind control or whatever. but like, they use completel different words and like, it would be breaking the law if you said that they were speaking your feelings? thats what i was trying to say man.88

nvm the 88s for now they mean nothing right now.

ok, here i go with the fbi angent (im on three lvls right now) if we were talking you wouldnt have heard me speak fbi angents, but the odds are you could hear it in your head. <---i divided one of the lvls (you know the mirror game thing that means nothing =) and so basically im going to tell you that the fbi told me to say whats in between the 88s.( which in MY MEANING of the fbi, they did)

and so the third lvl is everthing im not saying. but i guess i can tell you what im not saying even though im doing that deviding/erasing thing that im not diong (prismatism, you said about denial) isnt that weird, i didnt tell you shit! get it? ENGLISH AS THEY TEACH IN SCHOOL IS FLAWED UP THE ASS

the first lvl is speaking.
second lvl is deviding your thoughts ( subconsciously or not)
third lvl is what always behind your mind untill you realize it which you can. theres nothing to be in denial about for why would you be? your right. why else would you press your self? to prove something? i think not!

....basically, everything i said in that last paragraph was all in 1st lvl....lvl=level

and uh, the code is my empty space. my uh, god? or someshit idk.

ty ty ty everyone i love you alllllll ( jk, anyone want to get in an arguement about what love is? XD im down.)

 

yay, he's back! ^^^ you talk in riddles, jcp, but i can sort of get it.

 

aeshura, sorry i misunderstood...

 

ever since i started smoking pot, and ever since i started reading this thread, i've started to see code everywhere. i can tell when people are being fake.

anybody ever watch the tyra show (tyra banks) and see how she says whatever people want her to say just to sound good?

i see it in myself too, unfortunately, and in my friends, my family, television, etc. it's scary. we basically have to retrain ourselves. when i do it, it always feels forced. i thought i had to change myself to be more sociable, but i'm realizing i just have to be who i am.

 

Telivision is weird to watch. when I'm watching tv with ppl I get the "dumb" look casue I'll buss out laughing at something they say or show. and sometimes it can freak you out. (try watching CNN) best advice. Ignore it, when you see it act like you don't, pointing it out can sometimes lead to an eerie confrontation where emotions you never knew existed can get revealed. only point it out when someone is in danger of being permanantly altered.

 

i wish i knew how to argue with you guys but id be talking to myself still and i guess you cant* do that? like, sometimes, i really think you guys arent hearing a word of what im saying.

why dont you guys realize im not the average person. i can tell when i start up arguements and there was nothing ever wrong. its like my demon sense.

but i guess i dont really care too much cause as long as i get to go to the place in my head that lets me type to you im pretty much happy.

 

JCP,

We know you're not the average person. You're really difficult to understand. It's not your fault, and it's not our fault either. We're trying and so are you.

I remember being paranoid of the code, thinking it was all pervasive, and I remember thinking there was no way to verify whether someone could be trusted or not - even when they reassured me they weren't speaking in code, I could always think "But what if that's code". So when I tell you that I'm speaking to you in honest, no-strings-attached, no-hidden-meaning, straight communication, I don't know if you'll be able to accept that. But that's what I'm going to tell you anyway. When it comes down to it, you're going to have to choose whether to believe me or not - there's no method by which you can figure out beyond a shadow of a doubt whether or not I'm using code.

Two posts ago, you mentioned how you've got 3 levels to your mind - or maybe 3 levels in your communication - or something. Level 1 is "speaking" as you called it. Level 2 "dividing your thoughts". I'm assuming you're talking about the overt and hidden levels of communication when we use code. Level 3 is "what's always behind your mind until you realize it". I'm a little lost on this one. I gather you seem to think at this level are your true thoughts which can't be wrong - sort of a connection to ultimate Truth. Are levels 1 and 2 overt and hidden translations of this truth? Or am I completely off base?

You also described yourself as an FBI agent and this seems to be who you are at the second level. Is this a part of you that tries to study people, like an FBI agent trying to solve a crime case. An FBI agent will never reveal what he's really thinking, especial not to those who he's trying to investigate. In fact, he'll tell himself what to say to others in order to extract information from them or persuade them to act in a certain way. Is this like the FBI agent telling the other part of you, the part that functions at level 1, what to say?

Also, what is the "mirror game"? I'm not just acting like I don't know - I really don't.

Also, about always being right - I had an insight back when I was paranoid about the system that was very much inline with this. It eventually grew into a theory about the relation between perception and reality, a theory about consciousness. I was able to use this theory to pull myself out of my paranoia. I don't know if it's anything like what you mean when you say we're always right, but if it is, I understand what you mean.

If you want to be understood, you need to speak exclusively from the first level. If you're going to be told what to say by any other levels, your meaning is going to come out confounded. I don't know if it's possible to convince you, but you can trust us (or at least me). I remember what it was like being paranoid of "the system" and I know that saying that you can trust me might be useless. Hell, just telling you that I'm familiar with "the system" is probably back firing on me.

To everyone: pot makes you paranoid! Bottom line! Yes, you're going to see double meaning in what people say, and you're going to see the fakeness of some people like Tyra Banks, and it's all going to seem extraordinarily real. This is not necessarily a false perception. What's false - or usually false - more usual than you probably think - is that people are doing this consciously and deliberately. The "system" is not an institutionalized thing - it's something inherent to human nature and it appears more prevalently in some people than others. We can even choose to use it or not. You can even make it real. I mean, let's say it was completely fabricated by paranoid delusions that we get when on drugs. If we believe it, and start using, it will be real. We will be the first to use it. As this seems to be a common thing about pot smokers, it wouldn't be unlikely that several people end up making it real simply because they believe in it, and then what do we get? We get a whole group of people mutually using code, conscious that they're using code, conscious that everyone else is also using code, and there you have it - the system is born. Although I don't doubt that this happens to a certain degree, I really doubt that it's so all pervasive that EVERYONE is suspect and that it's what an entire political system - indeed all political systems - revolve around. I don't think the system could be that organized. It's bound to collapse very early in its lifespan. I think it only functions to some extent in really desolate sectors of society, like low SES groups, politically and religiously oppressed people, people who live in extremely competative environments (like lawyers), and basically any social system in which one eventually comes to the realization that one is going to have to use code in order to get by ('cause niave honesty is just going to make you vulnerable to exploitation). Even then, it's always a choice to use it. Lawyers, for example, might use code at work, but when they come home to their family, they probably realize it's best to be honest and just be themselves (although I wouldn't put it passed some lawyers - or some people to be more general). I think this forum is a place for honesty and straight forward communication. What could anyone gain by using code here? How could you even use code (code involves so much body language and tone of voice, etc.)

The moral is, don't let this code stuff go to your head. Yes, it exists in some form or another, to some degree or another, within some social networks more than others, but I really don't think it warrants so much paranoia - it ain't that powerful.

PS - sorry for the long post.

 

I read all the replies in this post and it has really awaken me. When coming to this forum I thought it wasn't possible to mindfuck me but yall did it, yall raped me mentally. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and may yall continue to make replies and add to this interesting topic.

 

i actually have no idea what im talking about. i forgot. and i dont even think i did know what i was talking about so whateva.

 

i dunno what to say. we can't help but be confused to a certain extent because you definitely ARE on a different level than most of us, JCP. we're growing and learning. and you've taught us a lot. that's all i can say.

 

so why do you want to argue? all we want is your enlightenment, if you want to share.

anyway, i thought we were just discussing?

i have to read and reread everything you write, because it's almost like YOU'RE talking in a code. it's really hard to comprehend some of it.

please don't let our innocence scare you away.

 

Well, I hope you're all right. It's hard to tell how you really feel about all this. I know back when I was paranoid, I was a real mess. I was scared, angry, confused, depressed, and generally watching my life get flushed down the downward spiral of insanity. Is this how you feel or are you getting by okay?

 

but what about this -- what if it's not insanity....

what if that's just what society calls it when people finally get it... and then realize there's nothing they can do about what's going on in the world

maybe insanity is just letting go

 

I wondered what was going on in my own head, now I understand. This makes total sense to me, and its awesome. =)