will do. and yes. they are essentially that. adults who aren't adults. but mostly, if you left your family, how would you feel? if you turned your back on them? i know why he doesn't want to. they're FAMILY. they wont take care of themselves. things wont be good for them, if he leaves.
There are plenty of people that use and still are decent people I use to use H and am currently clean (well i still smoke bud) and on methadone to help stay off the opiates maybe you can get him to change to methadone or suboxone which both helps with the herion and pill addictions dont stop beng his friend just because of a drug if you do it will show that you are not really his friend addiction is very very powerful and hard t stop just be there for him and tell him to call you or come to you when he wants to use and maybe together you can help him stop
maybe some sort of suboxone treatment would be best for him. i'm going to do my best to get my hands on some iboga.
You might be able to get it in Canada or Mexico, but then you'd have to get it across the border. I believe it's a Schedule 1 drug in the US. I only checked one site for prices, and it was around $200 per gram. I don't know how much you need though. I saw an ad for a clinic that was offering Ibogaine treatment for $4000. Supposedly just one dose is enough to not only ease withdrawal, but cravings as well. But supposedly you can't have any opiates in your system when you use it, or you could have a bad reaction.
Iboga won't ease cravings. It will be a one-shot deal. Physical withdrawl gone, and a powerful multi-day psychedelic trip that makes LSD look like child's play, that causes you to evaluate your life and generally, choose to shore it up where it needs it. It's not a thing where you will think about opiates all the time, or where feel like you're on some sort of maintainence. You won't be an addict anymore, it changes who you are. If it works right.
There's really no reason for him to take sub unless he's become dependent (gets dopesick). It will just jack up his tolerance, he may even prefer the long-ass, slightly different high. Suboxone is a last resort--it's better than methadone and better than constantly being strung out on H. Doesn't say much, am I right? babyjay, have you seen the documentary on netflix about iboga? I think it's called kicking the habit.
Ibogaine is certainly an option. From what I've been able to find, it's very expensive. The one clinic I found advertizes $4000, and it's somewhere in the Carribean, so there would be air-fair, lodging, etc. added to that. But I guess it's no worse than rapid detox with Naltrexone under anesthesia. I saw one ad for $9000 for that, but that includes 36-48 hrs of inpatient monitoring. If he has insurance it might cover part of a rapid detox treatment, or even rehab. Probably not Ibogaine though. Suboxone or Methadone might be the best route, but it's up to him, assuming he wants to quit.
But the thing about ibogaine is that even if he's not having severe physical WD problems, but doesn't care enough to not use, it will probably fix that, and make him want to avoid opiates, even if he's not a track-marked junkie yet. But maintainence treatments keep you a junkie, and give you an alternative to blowing your life. But they also take a commitment to not falling off the wagon and spending your whole time trying to get higher, and he's already made a conscious decision that he doesn't care about life, and is jumping off the wagon. So maintainence will only make him worse, and give him another source of dope, or something to trade for his dope of choice.
Well, no treatment or rehab program will work unless the person is committed to it. Rapid detox will take care of the withdrawal part of it, but they also recommend some sort of rehab as a followup. Methadone is basically a way to keep people safe from dirty needles and having to beg or steal to feed their habit. But it doesn't provide the same high, and some people stay on it for years. Which is ok, I guess, if it takes that long to wean down, then that's how long it takes. But there was a guy who used to post here who was on a Methadone program and still using Heroin. If this guy has the money to go the Ibogaine route, maybe that will do it. A 24-36 hour trip isn't for everybody though. If it works it would be worth it in the long run though.
i have had alot of friends whom were herione addicts. never once have they stolen from me. i have only one left alive now. and i would be there for him no matter what. to me as orison319 said a drug is a drug, it the person that make them bad. if he is functional be there for him, im not saying support his decision to use but acknowledge his right to do so. try and keep him from od-ing (sorry if thats misspelled) by showing him that there is still love in the world try and make him see that there are people and places that can help him, but all the while make sure first that by doing this you are not damaging yourself first. you should be the most important person in your life, dont let him hurt you by sucking all of your energy away. but being his friend is not bad, and remember everyone gets through life in their own way.
I guess it depends on the individual. I'd like to be able to say that I've never been ripped off by "friends", but I have. All it takes for some people is one withdrawal experience, and from then on if they can't afford it, they'll steal it or steal for it. I made the mistake a couple years ago of helping a "friend" out. He had run out of his Hydrocodone prescription early. I could tell he was hurting just by the way he was walking. Both of his knees were shot. I take the same thing, so I helped him out with some of mine. I guess I was naive and didn't realize how badly he was hooked. Anyway, from then on he expected it. So I helped him a couple more times, then it got to be too much, so I stopped it. One day he was in my place and I was getting ready to take him out to cash his check. I went in to the bathroom to shave, and came out about 5 min. later. I could tell by a change in his mood that something was up, but I let it go. Later on, after I'd gotten back it was time to take my meds. I'd just gotten a refill of 150 pills a couple days before, and half of them were gone. He knew where I kept them, because he'd seen me take the bottle out before. Why did he leave me with any at all? I don't know. Possibly he was dumb enough to think I wouldn't miss them. I couldn't actually prove it, so I didn't confront him about it, but from then on all my meds were kept under lock and key, and I distanced myself from him. I saw him a few months after that and he gave me some sob story about how bad he was hurting, etc. and I turned him down. He offered me $100 for 5 10mg Hydrocodones. $100. And I turned it down, because I didn't want anything more to do with him. And yeah, I know I was stupid. For helping him, for trusting him. For not keeping my meds locked up in the first place. I know all that. And the thing of it is, deep down he's not a bad guy. But he's addicted and if he's willing to pay $100 for just enough to keep the wd's away for one day, then he's likely to do anything. Fortunately he moved several states away to stay with his sister, so I don't have to hear from him. I'll bet she's probably kicked him to the curb by now.
