Hillary Clinton

Well you would have to point to specifics to convince me that everything she is proposing is the same old thing. I'll agree that that is what many people believe, but many people don't bother to look at facts.

We don't really talk about what the candidates are proposing around here, what they've accomplished, their qualifications or experience, to busy yelling liar, liar.

 

Never said I didn't understand why people are fed up...I don't understand why they don't think period.

Never said I don't understand why they survive, I said I don't know why they bother to get out of bed because they have such a negative hate filled attitude.

Never said Hillary wasn't corrupt, never said she was. I just point out facts concerning what is said about her.

You think the FBI and Justice department are corrupt, I think they have had a wide range of procedures and have done a wide variety of things. Some I agree with, some I don't.

Never said I like Citizen's United, never said that there aren't aspects of our government that need to be changed.

Yes Trump is what happens when we don't take the government seriously and make all kinds of assumptions we can't prove, then give up on the whole system.

Like it or not our country has always, always had a two party system. That's not the problem. The problem is that people don't take the time to educate themselves and they fall for empty promises and rumors that aren't based in fact.
And as you said people then take the easy way out and fall for memes because it's too hard for them to make cohesive arguments or study the actual facts.

It is unacceptable that all governments throughout time have had some degree of corruption...but it is also true. Change doesn't happen in one election cycle, that's one of the points I was making when I said the American public is spoiled. There are those that think that all corruption will just end over night and if their chosen candidate doesn't get elected then they'll just quit and go home. I voted for Bernie in the primary, he lost. I'll go with the next best, in my opinion, and work for incremental gains.
Only spoiled brats give up and start making fun of those who are still trying to do what they can.

The people of the U.S will either get Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton as their next president, unless something unforeseen happens before the election. Third party candidates have no hope whatsoever, one of them doesn't even know what Aleppo is.

We will get what we deserve.

But this is getting too serious, let's post some more stupid rumors.

 

You are correct, after reviewing the thread, I did say that in one of my posts.

Thank you for correcting me.
This is an excellent example of what we are talking about in regard to Hillary Clinton lying.

I forgot about that sentence and was thinking of my "get out of bed sentence" when I said I didn't say anything about surviving.

So was I lying? Or did I just have a lapse of memory and make a nonfactual statement without any intent to lie at all?
Those of you with a preconceived notion that I lie will say yes, I lied.
Those with a preconceived notion that I am not in the habit of lying will accept my memory lapse explanation.

Those on the fence will will look at my past record and my present explanation and draw an unbiased conclusion one way or the other.

I maintain that I had no intent to lie and so just made an nonfactual statement.
Same with Clinton.

 

No it's a way of not drawing conclusions based on one event.
Now if you had reviewed the entire case history of every report, action, etc. taken by the FBI and found a repeating pattern of a majority of examples of this sort of thing happening, then you may have a case for saying the FBI is corrupt. Or you may not, the actions of the FBI may not always be clear to ordinary citizens. For example they may lie, or make untrue statements to the public or other entities to protect investigations, sources, etc. They need to protect the country or its citizens.

I'm not naive enough to believe the government never tells us untrue things to protect us.
How many nuclear warheads do we have and where are they? Think the government will not lie to protect that information? Do we have spy satellites over Russia? Of course not. Is one of our ambassadors really a U.S. spy, they will lie to protect that individual.
It's a complicated world.

 

I'm just stating what happened.

Hillary's big problem, and I'm serious here, is that she does not begin her sentences with, "I believe", or "As far as I remember". All she has to do is say that every time she makes a statement and all her "lies" go away unless they are a direct contradiction to facts. Which very few of them are.

For example, she believed she never had any emails containing secret information on her server because none of the ones that did had the proper header and footer describing them as containing secure information as they should have, there is debate and arguments over just what is secure information among the various government factions, she never read the entire chains of all the thousands of emails that passed through her server, and even Comey admitted that he was unfamiliar with the terms different agencies used to describe secure information and that the three emails that were actually determined to have any secure information were poorly marked in the body of the email, not the top and bottom as prescribed and any reasonable person could easily miss the one little "c" superscript used to identify them or might not have known what the "c" meant.
In sort there was no intent to lie. Without intent to lie there is only a nonfactual statement, not a lie.

 

This is a thread about Hillary Clinton, if you want to discuss the failings of the FBI, start another thread on that subject.
I'm not getting into it here.

I accept the fact that you believe the FBI is corrupt, in everything or at least the majority of the things it does, and that is the reason they didn't recommend criminal charges against Hillary. I think you're wrong.
We can argue about the FBI in another thread.