Hillary Clinton

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  1. Meliai

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    I just want it to be over. Please can it be over now ? Does anyone even still care who is president at this point. Just go vote down ballot and cross your fingers, keep your head down for the next 4 years. Climate change might kill us before the next president does anyways!
     
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  3. xenxan

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    If that is the case, why are the 'leaks' always referenced to a Wiki dump if any media outlet can source them?
     
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    You've got to be kidding! I have to admit, you really know how to try to make the most of 1%

    I guess you expect those who breached her unsecure system to advertise it. If I were the one who breached it, I'd keep my mouth shut. That way, I can keep breaching it.

    Doesn't really matter?? WTF? Explain how her communications would not have been safer on a secured government system.
     
  6. The government server is exactly where foreign governments would expect her emails to be.

    jk
     
  7. storch

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    Well, that seems to validate what Comey said:

    "We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton's use of a personal email domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent."
     
  8. storch

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    Ah, so what this shows is that Clinton was actually ahead of the curve when it came to using an unsecure email server because she was hiding classified information in plain sight, so to speak.

    I had her all wrong.
     
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  9. MeAgain

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    There is no evidence her account was breached, you can suppose all you want, maybe they were, maybe by Russians, maybe by aliens...but no proof.

    List of government servers that have been proven to have been hacked:

    Personal information for more than 22.1 million people was stolen in a Chinese hack of the Office of Personnel Management.
    In 2010, Clinton dealt with the fallout of more than 250,000 stolen State Department cables during the Wikileaks controversy.
    No clintonemail.com messages were included in the Manning dump, unlike thousands of emails from State Department servers
    In 2006, hackers breached State Department security.
    In 2008, a cable outlined “spearphishing” attacks on the State Department and Defense Department by Chinese hackers.
    The State Department’s email system was hacked in fall 2014.
    In 2013, the addresses of over 170 employees were released following a hack of the State Department system.
    Secretary Kerry said it was “very likely” that China and Russia were reading his emails.
    Unclassified White House computer networks were breached by hackers “thought to be working for the Russian government.
    Hackers accessed email archives of White House staffers and officials outside the White House that included communications with President Obama.
    In 2013 Hackers took personally identifiable information about 100,000 people from the Energy Department.
    Hackers accessed tax return information for more than 100,000 U.S. households in a hack on an IRS computer system.
    Officials said Russia was behind a hack of the Joint Staff email system that affected 4,000 government employees.
    Hackers took sensitive information about the nation’s 85,000 dams from the Army Corps of Engineers.
    Chinese hackers “breached the federal weather network” maintained by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
    United States Postal Service computers were hacked, compromising employee information.
    The Nuclear Regulatory Commission reported being hacked three times in recent years.
    In 2013, the federal government incurred almost 61,000 cyber attacks and security breaches.

    Those are the ones the government has told us about.

    Hillary Clinton's system wasn't breached and if it was...so were lots of other government systems and note I didn't include all of the private systems that have been hacked.

    seems there are tons of "careless" people doesn't it????
     
  10. Moonglow181

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    GO HILLARY! You have some good people behind you...Me, Bon Jovi to name just two of them...
     
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    I guess your argument is that, since there have been breaches in the past, Clinton was never obligated to adhere to security protocol and that the Secretary of State is free to transmit classified information any way she sees fit. I got your point.
     
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    Wow, ego
     
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    "seems there are tons of "careless" people doesn't it"

    To offer a different context to your question: once anyone logs on to their computer, we become careless. There is no way to hide in the internet age; so to say that "Hillary Clinton's system wasn't breached and if it was...so were lots of other government systems" is justification on your part and offers no credibility. It is like saying 'I didn't steal that car...but if I did, lots of other people stole cars too'.

    Your continued admiration and defense for Hillary is commendable but it has lead you down a dark ally of cognitive dissonance. Your fondness for Hil and firm belief in her 'worthiness' has blinded you to the true reality of her nature.
     
  16. xenxan

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    Haha

    Will it clean Wieners computer to, like in between the keys? I think the FBI may need to use a black light before touching that thing.
     
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    And perhaps rubber gloves . . .
     
  19. hotwater

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    Do you have similar feelings for the dozens of other epic rap battles many of which are fantastic?


    Hotwater
     
  20. MeAgain

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    Was Clinton found to have committed a crime?

    Did all of the government breaches happen before she had her server?

    Was the recent DNC breach before she had her server?

    Are servers being hacked on a regular basis?

    Has anyone else been held accountable, such as being investigated by the FBI or the House for any of these breaches? If not why is Hillary held to a higher standard for having a server that was not breached when thousands of other government employees are not being questioned in regards to all these unsafe, carelessly operated government servers that have been breached for years? Could it be a vendetta against Clinton?

    We have had millions,millions of government records hacked and no one is being held accountable! But Hillary has a private server that was not hacked, she is not charged with any crime...in her life...and still people like you get out the pitchforks and want to form lynching parties.

    Nice.
     
  21. MeAgain

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    Let me start by reminding everyone I voted for Sanders, and I'll add I don't like dynasties such as the Bushes, and I don't really care for a Clinton dynasty. But putting that aside, Hillary is very qualified and much better than Trump. I'm a realist in this respect, I want the best for my country and the world...and that doesn't involve Trump.

    Now as far as the hacking. Hillary's server wasn't hacked, and if it was so were many other government servers. What that shows is that all systems are vulnerable and to keep harping on this "careless Hillary" tune is just an excuse to attack her. We all know anyone's system can be hacked.

    As far as your car example. Hillary Clinton didn't steal anything. She put information in her personal car, to use your example. It wasn't stolen. Other people put information in government cars, it was stolen. So why is Hillary careless and the others aren't? The government cars were no more secure than Hillary's car. Anyone who put information in any of those cars could be called careless for using that method of storage.

    As far as my admiration for Hillary, I didn't pay much attention to her until all this bull shit started. I voted for Sanders. But as I see the ruthless attacks on her and how she handles them, and as I investigate the claims made against her I have to admit to finding myself respecting her more and more. She has withstood this witch hunt with style and grace, has fought hard, articulated her policies and view points and mostly refrained from counter attacking in a mean spiteful way.

    Comparing her to Trump..........I'd much rather see Hillary on the world stage then Trump.
     
  22. 6-eyed shaman

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    But as a Sanders voter and supporter, how can you continue to defend her when it could have been Sanders up on the debate stage with Trump if the DNC never meddled and kept everything honest?
     
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