Hillary Clinton

You have said this to me before, and I am still a little baffled by your hatred of Hillary and love for Putin. I have never been good at geography, and am still not clear where Croatia is....I was trying to figure out your interest in our election here, and looked Croatia on the map to try to understand, but still did not know what i was looking at.

No, I don't want someone like Putin deciding what happens in American elections , especially by underhanded ways....Fine, if anyone ever has an opinion....voice it clearly and not in any riddled language that I can never understand, either....Lots of forum members do that also....speak in riddles and I can only guess what they mean. That is something I have been wanting to say and get off my chest on this forum for awhile now, so that does not necassarily pertain to you, Piaf....
But if people want honest, clear communication ever with me, say what you mean and mean what you say, clearly. otherwise, I will just assume you are playing games and trying to mess my head up.

Anyway, back to this post...got sidetracked for a moment...

I can only go by what I see and hear of a person...i don't listen to rumors, hacked emails, people's hateful emotions about anyone. I never have. I try to look at the person for myself....watch them, listen to words coming out of their mouth ., ect.....and make up my own mind.
I heard alot of anger towards Bill Clinton....so people hate Hilary, because he cheated on her? I don't understand it. This was not Bill we were voting for...and people's marital affairs and extra marital affairs are none of my business anyway....and have nothing to do with how it affects me or the world I live in....what other people do in their relationships...I do not care....
Her hacked emails? I already said...they could be changed by hackers too, to suit agendas...so i did not even bother reading them. I don't care about them,.
Her involvement in any wars? Show me a President who did not send troops out into battlefields and innocent people got didn't get killed. I hate war....I hate violence. I am for minding our own business in this country...but it seems world government is already upon us...just by what you said, Piaf.

I heard you say you were coming to Washington, DC....Why, if you hate Americans and America?

I wanted Bernie....I have said that over and over again...and I was sore for a long time over that....but I had to get to the business at hand and resolve that i was going to vote for Hillary with some kind of belief in her. I watched her and studied her. Albeit, she is not the funny comedian, entertainer Trump is....and she can be a bit boring...but I saw nothing in her I hated...i felt sorry for her...her health seems to be something wrong with it.....and it hurt me when people made fun of her for that! What kind of hatred do some people spew? I do not understand it.

I looked at her achievements. I looked at alot of things, and I came to the conclusion, i trusted her more than Trump...who has shown me NOTHING to trust about him. I have seen nothing to trust about him, and I am still scared about what he is going to do to the health of this planet. Aren't you?

 

ill just chime in on the "people hate hillary because bill cheated on her " part


personally i hate hillary for staying by his side after he cheated....what a maroon...

 

If you love someone, you stay with them no matter what. I see that to be a strength, sometimes....but also, how do we know the inner workings of their relationship? Maybe it is more business orientated, ect...i will not assume to know. I am not there.

 

I cried before not for myself...but I guess i do love Hillary as a human being, as my tears were for her.
Again, with the line...
sorry. What is that?

 

Trump, no doubt, will....but never mind pardon,but would you trust anyone snooping around your shit, whether you were hiding something or not?
This is on principle.
I broke up with someone once for reaching into my purse to read a diary I had in there, when I left for about 30 minutes. Stupid me left my purse there where he was.......not that I had anything to hide.....but I would never trust him again, so there was nothing left.

 

Oh I believe Comey cleared Clinton. And I believe that he offered Clinton apologists the course of least resistance on their way to ignoring the facts. For example . . .

Comey said:

"We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial email accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton's use of a personal email domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent."
"She also used her personal email extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related emails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal email account."

Your response is:

But Comey said that that's not gross negligence. And since he is your authority of choice, you chose to believe that it's not gross negligence if Hillary Clinton is the one being grossly negligent.

And even when shown this:

WASHINGTON — Government investigators said Friday that they had discovered classified information on the private email account that Hillary Rodham Clinton used while secretary of state, stating unequivocally that those secrets never should have been stored outside of secure government computer systems.

Mrs. Clinton has said for months that she kept no classified information on the private server that she set up in her house so she would not have to carry both a personal phone and a work phone. Her campaign said Friday that any government secrets found on the server had been classified after the fact.

But the inspectors general of the State Department and the nation’s intelligence agencies said the information they found was classified when it was sent and remains so now. Information is considered classified if its disclosure would likely harm national security, and such information can be sent or stored only on computer networks with special safeguards.

​​You go to your default position, aligning yourself with your "official" authority of choice--Comey--and hold onto your baseless opinion that Clinton has done no wrong. She's a frickin' high security risk, and you're willing to overlook it. What does this say about you?

 

Governments shouldn't be keeping secrets from us, if they weren't so corrupt people wouldn't be snooping around their emails.

Not the same thing as a relationship at all.

 

Government has always kept secrets from us...always...nothing new there. I don't think it is right, but that is the way it is.
Some are more honest than others, is all....but you can sense that yourself who is...without being told.
and I am still trying to figure out what was the bad secret hillary kept from us. I don't want to read anyone';s hacked emails. that is just me. You don't think they can be tweeked to suit agendas? What gives me reason to trust Assange? Nothing. He is in a dirty business, so why should I listen to anything he has to say..

 

The Clinton Foundation is funded by the same officials in Qatar and Saudi Arabia who have been funding ISIS, I'd hardly say that was a trivial piece of information.

Wikileaks found that out for us, and rightly informed the general public about it, who have a right to know these things.

 

I don't hate America(ns).
But I really dislike how Americans tend to complain about a foreign leader interfering with American system, elections and politics, when they themselves support the candidate who meddles the most in other countries.
Hillary's little evil laugh when she said We came, we saw, he died makes me cringe. What's so funny? Especially now when we all see what has become of Libya (largely thanks to foreign help and intervention).
Really, Hill, you can say that laughing like an evil person while at the same time you're best buddies with Saudis and the rest of them (the most vile,horrible and repressive regimes in the world). Why don't you kill THEIR leaders?
It irks me so much to see these hypocrites pretending it's about people, about democracy, about lives...It's not, it's about money, power and oil.

Trump's at least a lil bit more honest. Well, for now at least. I am sure he's going to soften his rhetorics and act.
And what's wrong with deporting illegal immigrants?
I am fairly conservative too.
And sceptic and critical of Islam, and against mass Muslim immigration.
If you think I have no business commenting American elections because I am from Croatia, ah well.
I can stfu, no biggie.

You want a no fly zone in Syria, because of Russians?
Again, who is Hillary to decide so? What gives her that right, and not let's say the Russians?
Balance of powers. I like mine bipolar at least.

Trump was all about decent, good relations with Russia, right?
I am pretty sure there would be bigger chances of a war had Hillary won.
Warmongering seems more like a Hillary's thing.


BTW, I just read the article on Hillary Clinton's web (not written by her, but on her page) about the Dayton Agreement, brought to you by Clinton administration in 1995.
It's full of shit, the article. It's one sided, it's propaganda. Bla bla bla bosnian refugees, poor bosnian victims, genocide against muslims.
Please. The Dayton agreement doesn't work, it's chaos, it failed. Muslims were given pretty much all political power, and they are using it ever so well.
I get it though, the agreement was needed to end the war, but if you look at the consequences, you won't talk about it like it was the greatest thing ever, like it's working,
Even little things like that make me think that this person and her team are really fond of propaganda.
As someone who is from Bosnia but not a Bosniak/Muslim this annoys me very much.
They even had a gathering in support of Hillary in Sarajevo, the Bosniaks. Always playing the biggest victims. But whatevs.
Anyways, this is irrelevant to yall atm, so let's leave it.

As for my love of Putin.
I wouldn't call it love. I obviously joke a lot.
I do like the guy though, despite frequent worrying joint Russian-Serbian military drills and parades in Serbia, and Russian "brotherhood" with Serbia.
Obviously, one has always has to be a bit cautious in the Balkans, as there a lot of old tensions here lol.

Seriously though, I like Putin. I think he is a great leader.
But I am also a bit sceptical of the guy, being from here, obviously.
But in terms of leadership skills and some values, yes, I'm a fan.

A lot of people in Europe support Trump.
A lot of shit is happening, people are becoming more sceptical.
The EU, or better said its beaurocrats, act like they are completely out of touch with what common people want.
And then you have America (which is everyone's business, let's be honest) and a guy like Trump who speaks against muslim immigration, a guy who is not a good obedient EU partner, who has no beef with Putin, who wants to focus on USA more...and it's appealing. These problems also worry the common European person, who has less and less in common with EU politics and policies.
It's refreshing, it's not the same type of boring politically correct rhetoric that we have become accustomed to over the last few decades.
You know, there are a few (important) national elections next year in several EU countries.
Maybe we could use a surprise like Trump.

It is ironic though, that a self-centered billionaire is the one who represents best what people think and want lol-
Even though he probably won not because people like him, but because they don't like HC, and they voted against her, and not for him xD

 

See this is what I don't understand.
How can you love her as a human being?
You only know her public persona, and there's a whole team behind that.
We don't know for sure what is she (or any other politician) like.

I don't love Putin or Orban.
I appreciate their leadership skills and some of the policies they advocate.
I think we could use a strong fearless leader like that.
But I don't love them.
If I say I do, I am overreacting or something.

Didn't Hillary, the human being, defend that rapist guy when she knew he was guilty??

And I am not attacking you, Moonglow, I am just asking.

 

You would probably eat her pussy if you could.

Yes, even you.

 

Very well-stated, honey.

 

I agree 100%. Personally, I don't think the government SHOULD tell us everything! Because if the average American has access to all government knowledge our enemies do also...but of course my thinking is of the past. Especially since we have all these uneducated brilliant minds that know better and more than people that actually have been educated at universities in law, the constitution, and similar as well as worked in politics all of their working lives.

I will never be interested in anything that rapist crook Julian Assange has to say since I think he would be the FIRST one to alter the text of emails or whathaveyou to what he wants.

 

Yeah, right, because after all the government knows and wants what's best for us.

 

I'm going to jump in here, Piaf, and respond to your statement about Hillary defending the rapist...

If you would bother to actually look up the facts, you will find that she tried to recuse herself in the beginning, and the judge refused to let her do so. She was assigned this case after it was determined that a male public defender was not wanted/inappropriate in this case. She was doing her job, as instructed, and it was said she never thought he would be found innocent. In fact, after her guilty client passed the polygraph test, she was reported to have said "it forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs."

I'm not going to respond to more than that...

 

Yeah, but I still want to know the truth about Roswell...Resent it that that is such a secret.....

 

um...I am not sure what you are asking...I feel what i feel, is all I can respond to you with. How can you fault someone for having empathy, care, love for another human being?

 

No need to be so dramatic, Moonglow.
I didn't fault you for having empathy or love.
I just think it's weird to love a politician and cry over/for her.
There is a difference between like and love.
We people usually love those that we know in person.