Hillary Clinton

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  1. xenxan

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    xenxan, Nov 22, 2016
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  3. GeorgeJetStoned

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    We named him Leroy instead. Same letters, but less likely to get beat up in school. Daughter is Shaniqua!
     
    GeorgeJetStoned, Nov 22, 2016
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  5. 6-eyed shaman

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    They probably will. I wonder if I can still find one
     
    6-eyed shaman, Nov 22, 2016
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  7. GeorgeJetStoned

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    A 65 year old "Dewey defeats Truman" newspaper will bring about $2500 today. So it's not a dramatic moneymaker unless you buy a hundred and put them in trust to your grandchildren.
     
    GeorgeJetStoned, Nov 22, 2016
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    6-eyed shaman, Nov 23, 2016
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  11. pensfan13

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    I didn't know you were black. Not that it matters.

    Anyway off the top of my head I think Pelosi is the politician I hate the most out of every one that is a state Representative or higher. It's not even close...it hurts my head trying to figure out how she has ever gotten reelected. Bloomberg is up there too. Being it's only one city I am not completely surprised he got elected in but he was more of a dictator than people are making trump out to be. (Actually Bloombergs third election was the first time I ever thought an election was rigged)
     
    pensfan13, Nov 23, 2016
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  13. GeorgeJetStoned

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    Naaa, I've just always liked that name. I'm pure honkey. Jane, my wife, is Louisiana Creole. As for Pelosi, I guess I left California just in time.
     
    GeorgeJetStoned, Nov 23, 2016
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    Her opponent was Cindy Sheehan, remember her? Apparently, Mrs. Pelosi is not Left Wing enough.
     
    Piney, Nov 24, 2016
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  17. GeorgeJetStoned

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    Sheehan was a pitiful case. Democrats were fine while she was ragging on Bush for getting her son killed in Iraq. But then she strayed into dangerous territory when she became critical of the democrats who she saw as not doing enough about Bush's war. Even though Pelosi voted against it, Sheehan set her sights on Pelosi for some reason and literally threatened to run against her. Which was insane when you think about it, Sheehan was essentially a housewife who started believing her own shit. She was way out of her league and is lucky to be alive. Politically she never had a chance.
     
    GeorgeJetStoned, Nov 24, 2016
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    Thats cool, creole culture is interesting. Do you guys ever do mardi gras in LA? I had a creole friend from a small louisiana town and i loved hearing his mardi gras stories

    Maybe not the thread for a personal conversation but whatever, we'll never hear from Hillary again anyways
     
    Meliai, Nov 24, 2016
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  21. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    And with it we have the second Republican president to be elected in recent years even though the majority of Americans didn't vote for them.

    Clinton is currently ahead by 2 million votes. So we have little backwater states deciding who gets the job.
     
    MeAgain, Nov 24, 2016
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    Without those little backwater states the country wouldn't be able to make enough food for all the roof dwellers.
     
    pensfan13, Nov 24, 2016
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  25. MeAgain

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    We aren't talking about food, we are talking about the will of the people. All of the states and the world are tied together. The mid west and other food producing areas can't keep on making all that food without the contribution of the "roof dwellers" or the government in the form of technology, chemicals, subsidies, infrastructure, pollution control, etc.

    When we elect a President, we should end up with the person picked by the majority as we all work together..
     
    MeAgain, Nov 24, 2016
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  27. 6-eyed shaman

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    Wasn't the whole point of the electoral college to resist mob rule? To protect the minority from the majority?
    Basic democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
     
    6-eyed shaman, Nov 24, 2016
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    Maybe all those farmers should March instead of working...never mind they got their way
     
    pensfan13, Nov 24, 2016
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  31. MeAgain

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    It has two purposes both of which have become antiquated.

    One is to ensure that small states are equally represented in the election. The problem is no state gets less than 3 electors which means that each elector in Wyoming represents 70,000 votes while each one in California represents 179,000 thus giving Wyoming an unfair advantage over California, exactly opposite the fairness it was intended to provide.
    In addition all states but two have a winner take all policy (not provided for in the Constitution). So if a candidate wins by 50.1% or 99.9% they get all the electors. Which screws up the popular vote.

    The second purpose was to insure that only the most qualified person gets elected. That doesn't work as today almost every elector is loyal to their party. Electors almost never vary from the party choice.

    Problems:
    1. A well qualified candidate who wins the popular vote can loose the Electoral College vote.
    2. Campaigns write off states such as California, New York, Alaska, and Texas because they feel they can't win them, depriving those citizens participation in the process.
    3. Swing states carry more weight. If you need Florida you pander to the elderly, if you need Iowa you pander to ethanol interests.
    4. It makes the President's job harder. If you need Florida for your second term you have limited options when dealing with Cuba.
    5. Small states have a triple or quadruple advantage per voter. That means a small population state person's vote counts as three or four votes compared to a large population state's one vote per individual person.
    6. Electoral votes can end in a tie throwing the whole system into chaos. In a tie the House of Representatives votes state by state by having each state's House members vote for one candidate or the other. Each state is then given one national vote to break the tie. So Wyoming's 563,000 people carry the same weight as California's 37 million. Some states may have an equal number of Representatives in the House which could result in a deadlock eliminating that state form participating in the election at all. But one candidate still must get the vote of 26 states. If no one gets 26 states...no one knows what would then happen.
    7. Third party candidates can receive a minimal amount of votes yet skew the whole election as Ralph Nader did in Florida 2000.
    8. The electoral College prohibits both the President and Vice President coming from the same state. If we obeyed the law Dick Chaney should never have been elected Vice President.
    9. The original framers of the Constitution thought that the electoral college would actually decide elections on a consistent basis. They don't.
     
    MeAgain, Nov 24, 2016
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  33. GeorgeJetStoned

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    Naaa, we're over Mardis Gras. But her mother did put a curse on me for moving Jane, my wife, to Atlanta. I'm like a Creole Darren Stevens since my mother in law really is a witch!
     
    GeorgeJetStoned, Nov 24, 2016
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  35. Okiefreak

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    The electoral college doesn't work anything like the Founders intended. It was loosely modeled after the Roman Centurial Assembly, and was expected to produce electors a notch above ordinary folks. The Founders, in their infinite wisdom, didn't anticipate domination of the system by political parties and national election campaigns. The electors today are mostly party hacks. The only real function the system serves today is to discourage new parties. Is that so important? But both major parties have a stake in it, so it will probably never change, even though it makes no sense. Something else to be cynical about.
     
    Okiefreak, Nov 29, 2016
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  37. GeorgeJetStoned

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    Precisely why it took wealthy outsiders like Perot and Trump to shake the tree. Perot didn't do as well with threats to his family as Trump. But then, Perot didn't have casino mob connections. Its a morbid possibility, but I wonder if some of the people who threatened Trump are going to vanish or have strange accidents (a floor buffer? Really?). After all, look how Jesse Jackson vanished for the last 7 years after saying he wanted to see Obama castrated (caught on open mic). Obama didn't have him whacked, just marginalized into a hole (while his son stayed in prison. Tough times for the Jacksons.

    Weird times ahead.
     
    GeorgeJetStoned, Nov 29, 2016
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  39. pensfan13

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVlHZh5dvbA
     
    pensfan13, Nov 30, 2016
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