Hipforums Fascists (or anybody sharing an interest in Fascist Philosophy)

Facism is really an extreeme extention of nationalism....

 

No.

Nationalism is usually a trait (so certainly not the root) of fascism, but not necessarily so.

In my opinion, nationalism is an extreme extension of patriottism, and racism is an extreme extension of nationalism.

 

At the root of it all is cohesive human action, beyond coordinated human action.

The most typical example in nature is a community of ants.

Amongst the higher mamals, diferent sorts of cohesive action is shown.

The Jaguar/ Puma / Lepoard is a solitary beast while the Lion exhibits cohesive action.

Pinipeds ( Whales, Dolphins, Seals, Walrus ) have highly developed cohesive action. Dogs and Geese are cohesive. While GroundHog, Possum and Moose is solitary.

Cohesive action benefits twice, once for feeding, hunting, secondly for defense or protection from threat.

Amongst the higher apes, The Orangutan is solitary while the Chimp and Gorilla live in cohesive groups.

Cohesion in Human society varies also with factors like racial homogenity, the level of cynism and with percivied threats or advantages from cohesive action.

So some societies will be more likely to show a type of faccism while others will not.

American Indians are individualistic and wil be less likely to go faccist.

Anglos are cohesive, the novel, 1984 by Orwell showed that the inteligencia
is aprehensive about faccism in British society. The book was like a vaccine, a small dose to build recognition and rejection for the real thing.

How about The USA or China, or India ?

 

Ok you guys are out of my league here, can't say I've been following facism or any other form of "foreign" govenmental structure.
I just wanted to mention to beeferreal you need to put another option in your poll. Something to the effect "You can't prove it won't happen" as per the intro stamp of the episode of Futurama I saw tonite. Cheers

 

Well the public opinion about Fascism is very diverse, as these quotes clearly show. Fascism, is a much maligned philosophy and it was so because the doctrine of Fascism was mostly obscure, and it was basically concoted by Mussolini, by scavenging elements of different philosophies. Philosophically, it is something of a frankenstein's monster, as it consisted of bits and pieces of several philosophies, artificially given life though power and propaganda. However, all political philosophies in their formative stages have been as obscure as Fascism, and only through neutral studies and formalization has a concept been formalised. Fascism has never been formalized into a general concept, and thus it has remained obscure, and people want it to remain obscure, as it is lot easier to malign something that is obscure.

Perhaps, fascism is hard to define because the fascist doctrine is different for every country where fascism has been implemented. "fascism" can however come in different shapes and sizes, and in different strengths. Fascism, is not the matter of how the insitution of the government is structured, it is a matter of how a society conducts itself. A country with a democratic constitution can still be a fascist nation. And fascism does not inherently imply bellicosity, although it was a characteristic of Italian Fascism (it was so cheifly because the world in the 1920s was a world where territorial gains could still be made through war). Fascism just require s an utterly cohesive society, and a cohesive society is not always a militaristic one.

As for Mussolini, and the said "hollowness" of his doctrine, I would like to say that he was a radical pragmatist, he sought out all doctrines that could work for Italy, provided that the world conditions of the 20s prevailed. However, as we know they did not prevail, as world war two radicallly altered the conditions of the world. Mussolini was a much smarter man than our history books will have us believe.

 

True.

No, I'd have to disagree. Nationalism does not entail racism, if a "nation" is not defined along racial lines.

 

This is an intelligent post, and you brought up a fact that goes unnoticed.

Fascism is not something institutional, and societies can be characterised as 'fascist' if they have an overriding proclivity towards cohesion and conformity, take Japan for instance.

But, assuming that the sense of cohesion advocated by fascism is something primal, and "hive-like" will not do any justice to the doctrine of fascism, as it philosophical roots are quite modern.

 

ill ring your little

 

.

 

..

 

..