HIPPIES, PSEUDO v.s. GENUINE

Goodmorning -

Well, the funny thing - I was at work and my lunch actually WAS over. We're not allowed to be on the net (for personal use) except during breaks or lunch. That was a comment of fact, and not a cheeky/dismissive remark at all.

My thinking on this is, if I'm not spouting information that needs to be backed up, and I'm not flaming anyone that demands an explaination, I don't need to explain myself. Nor does anyone else here. That's just my opinion. I'm being very careful on this forum because I can clearly see that my pittance of knowledge in these areas is really nil, compared to others here. I am tending to ask questions, and just sit back and read/learn. And with that M.O., I don't see a need for explaining myself. That certainly was not meant towards you, as in you being a lesser person than myself and that I couldn't be bothered. That's just not who I am.

Anywho - I hope that clears some things up. I appreciate your apologies, and I wish you peace too.

And I'll take the topic back up when I'm more awake, probably at lunch from work. *lol*

 

Haha, yeah, I thought you were talking about lunch break :tongue:

 

Explaination accepted and I will respect your right not to explain yourself.

 

Yeah, pretty funny how that worked out, heh?

This, I completely agree with. I've never thought of there being such a thing as "right wing" or "left wing" hippies. We just were. And whatever was going down that was unfair (personal or political), against the planet, etc...we voiced our opinions on it. We used sit-ins, marches, and petitions to make a point. We got involved in the issues of the day, and we went "back to the garden" as much as we could.

We took joys in the simple things in life, which our parents did not understand. "Why don't you want a 9-5??" "Why do you dress in dirty jeans?", "Why do you want to live with 10 other dirty hippies you don't know?" "I didn't raise you like this!" And, the ever popular: "I didn't work this hard all my life to see you throw it all away!"

So, needless to say when it came to their attention that my brother, who is now on the spirit side, had been (and was all his life), a drug smuggler and was making millions in the 70s, throwing around gifts, and money and buying land - they were proud, I was all; "And HOW does this fit in with all the stuff you've said to me??" WTF??? *blinks twice* M'kay Mom, if I'd have been the one to buy the air contidioner, and thrown expensive tibetian carpets on your floors, my lifestyle would be ok?

But I digress...

 

I bet there isn't one "hippy" who can tell me what the peace sign means or who it originated with.

 

Well, I did know at one time PR, where it originated from. But that was SO many years and a lot of drugs ago. So, it escapes me at the moment. I suppose I could wiki it, but then that would defeat your intent. I'll sit on my hands.

ETA comment: Isn't that the footprint of the American chicken??? *lmao* (bumper sticker from the 70s)

 

Shit, I should know this. I could find out, but I'm sure you'll tell me anyway. What's it mean? I'm sure it's nothing good...

 

Short term memory loss perchance??? *snerk* The minute I wiki'd it, I remembered.

 

I checked it on Wikipedia. I don't think their explanation is correct. I'm waiting to see what Matt has to say.

 

Mmmmmm....

 

I already read a a six page print-out by none other then our friends the right wing extremists. It's very interesting, amusing at times and it will make you want to puke. The print out is entitled, "The Peace Sign and Satanism" It's very informative but on the whole just a bunch of right wing revisionist shit. If you give me some time and I still think it's worth it, I can back track and tell you exactly how to get the print out. In the meantime if you want to knock yourself out trying to find an article about the peace sign that will only sicken you, go to google images and type in peace sign, then click on any that look similiar to the one I've all ready posted in this thread. Try that exact one first, it might be the one. At any rate, one of them will give you an option to open something else up and you'll get the article by the same title I've already mentioned.

Oh, there is a reason to read this article and it's probably what motivated me to read it. Hippy that I am, I'm interested in everyone's point of view, and I respect anyone who stands up for what they believe in, (even if it is hate mongering); I'm not sure if anyone could accuse the right wing extremist hate mongerers of not standing up for what they believe in, I can't, so I keep myself open to their ideas and what they are trying to do, even though I see it as nothing more then spewing shit around. Sorry if it seems like I'm plagerising your thoughts, hannah, but I really do believe that, and have for a long time before you said it.

 

You can plagiarize thoughts? Shit, I better stop thinking. I bet someone's thought everything I think already.

 

The peace sign was made popular by Lord Bertrand Russell and is the Teutonic rune of death. It's a pagan symbol, but was also used back in the 30s and 40s by the Nazis. It's an upside down cross, and once you understand the agenda of Russell and his ilk, you understand why they decided to use this as their symbol for "peace." Russell was the first person to coin the term "useless eaters," and this was years before Kissinger used the term to advocate population reduction. Russell was part of Britain's inner elite, and in his books he described how the West would later become merged with the Soviet system -- which it has. Bertrand Russell was also one of the first people sent to China in the early 1900s to teach students at the universities who would become the first leaders of the Communist Party.

Here is a revealing passage from Russell in his book The Scientific Outlook (1931):

"In like manner, the scientific rulers will provide one kind of education for ordinary men and women, and another for those who are to become holders of scientific power. Ordinary men and women will be expected to be docile, industrious, punctual, thoughtless, and contented. Of these qualities, probably contentment will be considered the most important. In order to produce it, all the researches of psycho-analysis, behaviourism, and biochemistry will be brought into play.... All the boys and girls will learn from an early age to be what is called 'co-operative,' i.e., to do exactly what everybody is doing. Initiative will be discouraged in these children, and insubordination, without being punished, will be scientifically trained out of them."

"Except for the one matter of loyalty to the World State and to their own order, members of the governing class will be encouraged to be adventurous and full of initiative...."

"On those rare occasions, when a boy or girl who has passed the age at which it is usual to determine social status shows such marked ability as to seem the intellectual equal of the rulers, a difficult situation will arise, requiring serious consideration. If the youth is content to abandon his previous associates and to throw in his lot whole-heartedly with the rulers, he may, after suitable tests, be promoted, but if he shows any regrettable solidarity with his previous associates, the rulers will reluctantly conclude that there is nothing to be done with him except to send him to the lethal chamber before his ill-disciplined intelligence has had time to spread revolt. This will be a painful duty to the rulers, but I think they will not shrink from performing it."

The counterculture was important to those at the top, because it was all about promoting drug use amongst the youth, promoting free love and feminism to break apart the familiy, and destroying all religion to make way for the one world religion of the New Age. It was all about softening up society so they could be easier controlled and lead like sheep into the next pasture.

 

I've read that quote before. I have also read about the rune of death. It's actually the run of life upside down, which reverses the meaning, if I understand it correctly.

 

So Bertrund Russell either perverted the true ideals of communism or he said something that wasn't characteristic of him. What the hell is your point, Pressed
Rat. First of all no one, not even these super elitists that you keep talking about have the kind of power you are giving to them. You have given them powers that border on the majical. They just don't have that much power, no one does! You only make matters worse by doing anything you can to cook up schemes to convince yourself and everyone else how powerful these people you talk about are. Do you admire them? Are you in favor of what they want? Do you want to be part of what you say they are; that's what it sounds like. A lot of it is in your own mind. Just stop thinking that way. It's unhealthy and contrary to anything that "hippies" believe in. These elitists you talk about are still human. They were all born from there mother's wombs just like you and me and everyone else. Give them some sort of break. Try to think of them in terms of their humanity instead of continually emphasizing how horrible they are or were.

I don't know how old you are Rat (you may have been the one that I went thru this thing about age with once before, I don't remember for sure, if so, I hope you are not holding a grudge) but back in the day hippy "chicks" didn't always involve themselves in protest and resistence to the establishment, sometimes they kissed the cops and wished them peace and love. It had to be done. The cops needed to know that our love was as stong or stronger then their hatred. Give it a break Rat. If your love is strong enough you can absorb the hate that comes from people like the ones you keep talking about. Of course if you'd rather be one of them, do your thing brother. I for one will still respect you.

 

OK, I can dig it. I was not thinking when I used the word plagerize. What I meant to say was that I didn't want to take the credit away from hannah for being the first one in this thread to introduce the idea of having respect for anyone who stands up for what they believe in and I also wanted her and eveyone else to know that this is something that is very important to me and has been on my mind for a long time.

Is that any better, Nal3ncer. I guess it depends on how disruptive your repeted pasting of the same info into different threads was. Skip was the one who had the authority to decide that, but it could have been worse, at least your still on the site.

 

I'll be unbanned within a week or so. This account is only temporary. If you want to see how disruptive I was being, go to the Global Warming forum and look at some of the threads. I posted in 4 or 5 threads, tops, and I wrote it out differently every time, specifically in reply to the OP. It was in no way cross-posting. That refers to copying & pasting the same text into multiple threads. And even if I was doing that, I should have gotten a warning before being banned for 2 weeks. Conclusion: Skip's a dick who bans people with opposing viewpoints. Even though he's all for free speech.

And as for Rat's age, it says it to the left of his posts: 26.

 

Funny, almost the first thing I look at when I see another persons post is their age. I'm always disappointed when they don't have it. Don't know how I missed it. Thanks for pointing it out.

peter