Hiring Hillary: Obama's First Dumb Move

Customary disclosures were made. You and the other nutballs who don't want Obama in the white house (for whatever reason, I won't call you a racist again) don't seem to want to accept facts. You are fighting the inevitable, failing miserably and looking foolish in the process. You know, like those prudes who were all up in arms because Clinton got a blowjob.

Now say it with me: President Barack Obama.

 

i'd sure like to see some links to those Disclosures, because to my mind, until it's proven, not by heresay evidence, but by the concrete proof of all pertinent documents,

nothing has been disclosed.

 

What a shock ~

the usual:

no links.

<sigh>

i guess i'm pretty much done with trying to have a conversation about Obama with anyone because none of y'all seem to understand that if you don't look at both sides of the coin, you're missing half of the Big Pic.

Sad, but true.

 

I find it amazing that the director of the agency which issued Obama's birth certificate certified it as a true copy.

And that ain't good enough.

So I'm the one who is done here.

 

First, a link to the statement made by Dr. Chiyome Fukino:

NOWHERE in that statement does she verify that Obama was born in Hawaii, nor that the COLB, as shown at FactCheck, matches the one on file.

All she is saying is that Obama has a valid (in accordance with state policies and procedures) certificate on file, but because of their weird law about registering ANY birth in Hawai'i, that little ommission on their part is pretty revealing, as far as Covering-Your-Ass tactics go.

 

From PolitiFact:



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

It started as a whisper, a trickle of nagging doubt.
“As a concerned citizen, I’m wondering if there isn’t something fishy going on with the Obama certificate.”
“I have serious doubts about the purported 'birth certificate’ you were sent.”
“Something doesn’t smell right.”
Soon, e-mails and blog posts were flying. As the pace quickened, the tone sharpened.
“You should be apologizing ... for your misinformation regarding BO bogus birth certificate, that you claimed was genuine!”
At full throttle, the accusations are explosive and unrelenting, the writers emboldened by the anonymity and reach of the Internet.
And you can’t help but ask: How do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or maybe just partisanship, that they’re being tricked?

• • • ​

Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com had sought for months. Countless chain e-mails, seeking to paint him as a secret Muslim, speculated that his full name included Muhammed (or Mohammed). Some said he is not an American citizen.

As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver’s license record from the Illinois Secretary of State’s office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.
Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama's name. They all read "Barack H. Obama" or "Barack Hussein Obama."
The ultimate document we sought was Obama’s birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.
On June 13, 2008, Obama’s campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won’t go away: He’s Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.
Then the firestorm started.
• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar’s signature?
• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.
• Isn’t the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document “June 2007?” (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)
• There’s no crease from being folded and mailed.
• It’s clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.

• • • ​

At PolitiFact.com, we’re all about original sources. We don’t take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.
When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.
And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?
Because if this document is forged, then they all are.
If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.
Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel.

• • • ​

Peter Goelz knows a little something about conspiracy theorists.
He was managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board in 1996 when TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing 230 people. While the NTSB’s investigation found no evidence of sabotage or terrorism, the Internet was stocked with insistent accusations.
“We were right at the beginning of this Internet lunacy,” Goelz said in an interview with PolitiFact. “And there were a variety of crackpot Web sites and Web commentators that generated all sorts of rumors. The principle one was that TWA in fact was shot down by an errant Navy missile in ... a live-fire exercise off the Hamptons.”
Nine miles off Long Island, in the middle of summer. And then a full-scale coverup by the Navy and all the sailors involved.
“I am sure that we spent another $10-million, perhaps $20-million, out of a $50-million investigation, to just knock down and put to bed these kinds of rumors, these insidious rumors,” Goelz said. “We felt like we had to answer every question because it was such a public and dreadful and confounding event.”
Goelz, who is now a communications consultant in Washington, D.C., says the Internet has given a platform to anyone to say anything. And a way to find others who want to hear it.
“Online, they can be almost anything,” he said. “They can be the crusading investigators that they always wanted to be.”

• • • ​

The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.
“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”
Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.
And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”
Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

• • • ​

And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.
But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.
There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.
And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.

OK Nutjob, just in case you missed it,

And yeah, there was still some question due to the non-transferrance of a raised seal when the certificate was photocopied, but I have three photocopies of my NY State certificate of live birth and the seal is not visible in the copy. Like I stated earlier in this thread, Okubo STANDS BY HER ORIGINAL STATEMENT.

Stop pulling bullshit out of your ass.

And above all, more than anything else, more than pulling us OUT of the middle east, more than turning around the economy, more than stopping greedy corporate America from fucking up our environment even more than it already is, I hope the new administration empties the prisons and locks up conspiracy theorist like you for wasting our time and our tax dollars looking into your invented nonsense.

So, um... I guess you don't want to be my date for the inauguration now. Damn.

 

You know what?

UNTIL THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS RELEASED, OBAMA IS A FOREIGNER!!!

You just aren't EVER going to be able to get past THAT, pal.

This is an issue that could be PUT PAID TO, easily, and yet the drama continues.

Don't you ever ask yourself, "Why?"

Have you ever considered, just for a sec, what the election and inauguration of an USURPER would mean to our country?

What it is already doing to our Constitution?

THAT's why it's so imperative that Obama PROVE that he is, indeed, eligible for the office.

You think it's a mess right now, with all the lawsuits? What's going to happen if other COUNTRIES start suing us over this? All it would take is one leader to feel harmed by any of Obama's policies, and BLAM!

OUR ENTIRE GOVERNMENT GRINDS TO A HALT, UNTIL THINGS CAN BE STRAIGHTENED OUT!

Any policies that have been made? GONE! And it's not going to be easy to clean up the mess of loose ends that will be left...

Any laws that were enacted/changed/repealled? GONE! And all of them will have to be undone.

One thing you seem to keep forgetting is that i'm not necessarily "against" Obama ~ i'm truly hoping and praying for the best ~ but this issue MUST BE TAKEN CARE OF.

And it could be ~ with a $10 copy of his original birth certificate.

 

*yawn* Usurper, destruction of the constitution, other countries, world opinion, blah blah blah you're confusing the outgoing president's behavior with the incoming.

And I didn't hear a no on the date to the inaugural ball...

 

Okay, okay, i'll go to the ball with you! Sheesh.

BUT,

i MUST be home by midnight for the apple tarts that my wicked step-mother and step-sisters made for me out of a super rare apple that my wicked step-aunt gave them. Not only THAT, but while the mice are away, we're afraid the cats will play, and when they start in with a diddle on a fiddle, well...

ps no, it's not acid ~ just good old herb!

 

Probably because the Big Pic isn't going to change overnight, and neither will the way it's handled ~ Obama is going to have to continue to follow in Bush's footsteps, just like Bush had to follow in Clinton's.

And, yeah, i DO get a little carried away, but i grew up OUTSIDE of the US, and our Constitution means a lot to me ~ it's the diff between where i've been (Guam, Japan, Africa, etc), and the governments that existed there, and here, where we truly ARE free, or at least as free as we can be.

i can't imagine living anywhere else on God's green earth than south Texas, where i was born, and i'm wondering about what's going to happen if even more crap is thrown into this tornado of catastrophe that's swirling around us right now,

ESPECIALLY since it involves the very foundations that this country and our society were built on.

 

All this other nonsense aside (right, wrong or indifferent) I figure someone with as much passion as you has GOT to be a load of fun at a formal function. I have my tux pressed and my truck washed, pick you up at 7

 

i'll be waiting with zills on!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNzOCIETFdU